First we nominate people, and then kill them off... I was hoping that we will have 20 nominees before we start healing and hurting, but we're only at 7 so far... I don't know how it will work out.

Yep! You got it! :)



I'm thinking of allowing each person 4 nominations and secondings, maybe then there'll be more candidates. Or stop at 15 nominees so that we can get to the actual game faster. Or both. Thoughts?

I would keep each person at 3 nominations, but increase the number of seconds to 4, since each character has to have 2 seconds...that might reach the goal at little faster...

Ok, thanks for the suggestion, Brooke!

CHANGE OF RULES: everybody has 4 secondings. I updated the list of voters below to fit the change.


And while I'm at it, I third Nienna.


In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna

Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel
Ioreth (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Nienor (+1)
Silmariën
Éowyn
Ar-Zimraphel (+1)
Erendis
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/1
Sally: 1/1
Lottie: 0/2
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/3
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/1
Brooke: 1/3

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel

Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel
Ioreth (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Nienor (+1)
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/1
Sally: 1/1
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/3
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/1
Brooke: 1/3

In that case, finalize Ar-Zimraphel and second Erendis.

My final seconding goes to Nienor, cos no one will do it instead.

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor

Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel
Ioreth (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/1
Sally: 1/1
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/3
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/3

Welcome to complete insanity, for Mourning is in!

Goodness. Decisions, decisions....

Well, I suppose I'll second Nerdanel. After all, she did so well last time. :Merisu:


In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor

Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel (+1)
Ioreth (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/1
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/3
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/3

Urwen, I'm sorry, but I don't think you can second Nienor. She's your nominee. You can still use that last seconding on someone else's nominee, though.

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel

Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel (+1)
Ioreth (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë
Nienor (+1)

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/1
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/3
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/1
Brooke: 1/3

But no one else would do it. But let's have it a deal: I will second Aredhel...if you could convince someone to second Nienor.

It's totally up to you who you choose to second, as long as it's not your own nominee. As for convincing people - Pitch, Legate, Tuor, tp, Mnemo, and Brooke still hav nominations. You could try asking them. :):cool:

Urwen, I'd trade you a seconding for Nienor against one for Ioreth. How about that?

Well, okay. You know what to do.

Me first, eh? I'm a man of my word, you know.
Allrighty, have it your way. Respawned seconding goes to Nienor.

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor

Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel (+1)
Ioreth (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/0
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/3
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/1
Brooke: 1/3

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Ioreth

Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/0
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/3
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/3

And a good trade it was...But you know, I could have double-crossed you and gave my seconding to Aredhel...too bad there's this thing called honour. I could have had both of them in... *sigh*

Good girl!:)
Of course you could have. But I guarantee you wouldn't have wanted to read the tirade about the honour of the House of Dor-lómin I had in petto for that case.:p

Well, I suppose one has to sacrifice something for sake of one's sister. :p

++Nienor

And now you can use your seconding on Aredhel, Urwen.

So sorry, but my votes are retracted and void, so it's like this again! Yay!

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Aredhel


Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë
Ioreth

Although, if this isn't valid, I'll be happy to include Ioreth again, okay?

As promised:

*raises a pole carved with baleful runes and crowned with a horse's naked skull facing towards Hithlum, clears his throat, shakes his fist at the Ered Lómin and declaims:*

"Let it be known to all and sundry, be they friend or foe or foul offspring of Morgoth Bauglir, Valar of the West or Variags of the East, Elves or Dwarves or mortal Men that in after days on earth shall dwell, that the honour of the House of Dor-lómin is as cheaply bought as Balrog-droppings in the pits of Angband, their word as worthless as the snot on an Orc's nose, and that their constancy changes more quickly than the greediest Hobbit can make room for another meal in his stomach. Not Laughter should they have called you, but Cackle. Túrin should have celebrated when you died. Húrin would sooner have unmanned himself and Morwen had a hysterectomy before giving life to such treacherous Orc-spawn. Galdor would have grieved to know he had such a granddaughter. Hador would have hid his head in shame. Hathol would have wept, Magor would have moped, Malach would have vomited and Marach would have farted in your general direction. Mîm would have approved of you, Glaurung would have applauded you, and decency forbids me to name what Morgoth would have had for pride of you, but it would have hit Ancalagon the Black cruising ten miles above the highest peaks of Thangorodrim. If Maedhros killed you, he did right, and glory be to him!"

And phantom, you backstabbing scoundrel, pick your share.

Whoa, whoa. I'd rather pick Aredhel than Ioreth. And the opportunity presented itself. And note that I only did this when the phantom gave me the opportunity. I like Aredhel, and that's that!

Oh, and I forgot: May your boyfriend burn in agony, day after day in those fiery pits he cast himself into! I heard you planned to marry the very elf that killed countless innocents. Go, ahead, and marry the man who has blood of my ancestors and MY kin on his hands. Go ahead and marry him, and may you both burn. And I have more where that came from. Olwe was My father's brother's grandson's wife's mother's father's brother! Cope with it! Olwe is MY distant kin...I will avenge my kin and myself too! *hurls a knife at Maedhros at his wedding.*

Talk about Cackles? ;)

I have something to say against this whole thing.

a) Phantom voted for a person that was already in.
b) Urwen made a deal and signed a contract - we've all seen your written agreement to vote for Ioreth!
c) Urwen retracted votes upon which other people's decisions and actions were based upon

I understand that you like her, but that doesn't mean that you're allowed double-dealings. Morgoth would be mighty pleased, if he could see you now. Think he'd got a new friend, he would. Plus, tp also voted against the "unofficial rules".

(And. Really, tp?)

I am against tp's and Urwens 2 last votes for reasons above, but I want to hear more opinions before I change anything on the list.



EDIT:

Are you talking to Pitch? In that case, wrong gender! ;)

G55, it's your thread, it's yours to decide if you feel the rules have been broken. I don't really care that much. Let Urwen have her Aredhel, if it means so much to her.

Well, you didn't have to agree to my deal then, did you? But you did, and went back on your word at the first occasion. Now live with it.
And as for phantom, see above.

(No, I'm not that mad at you - it's a game, after all. But writing that philippika was rather satisfying, and I've always wanted to raise a niðstöng against somebody.:p)

PS. - Nice try! You're right, I would totally marry Maedhros, he's gorgeous. Too bad I'm male, straight and happily married already...

Well, let's end this peacefully. Let Nienor and Aredhel enter. That way, we could avoid the flame war.

You're cute, you know that? Let both your favourites enter, and all will be well. What a brilliant solution! Why didn't I think of that earlier!:D

Seriously though, grow up. (And thank your lucky stars you won't be seeing a real flame war on this forum.)

Um, sorry, but I'm doing this for the phantom. He wants Aredhel in. And he put Nienor in. So, I'm putting her in.

While Aredhel is my fav, she isn't in first place. Nienor is.

*shrugs*

"Backstabbing scoundrel", eh? Come now, I am a treacherous fellow when playing Werewolf and the like, but I hardly think I've earned it this time around.

All I know is that I received a PM asking for a seconding of Nienor in exchange for a seconding of Aredhel. Both characters seemed worthy of inclusion, so I posted. As far as whatever rules may or may not have been broken, I'm quite busy and not terribly keen to be drawn into anything, and thus I will refrain from reading or considering carefully so as to remain blissfully removed from the debate. ;)

"...'cause I did what I did for Maria"
 

OK then, I'll amend "backstabbing scoundrel" to "absent-minded phabbler". Content?

Whatever, let's get back to business. I've nothing particular against Nienor, and I have something remotely resembling a liking for Aredhel, so let's have them both in for all I care. (After all, cannon fodder has got to come from somewhere.)
But Urwen's last list has taken my earlier seconding away from Ioreth. I'd like to see that restored, and maybe someone else will have the sense to give her anothre one.

Okay, first of all - tp seems like he's the innocent bystander in all this, so no hard feelings against you from me. :D Urwen, please, we all understand that you have rather hard feelings against everyone that you think had anything to do with Lalaith's death, but it's starting to get annoying. If you're going to post and take back your votes, at least check if it's okay first. And read the rules. There's character's I'd like to get in, but I'm not going to try and use my seconds to get my nominees in, which is what started this whole mess.

Now, Pitch, I think this is a corrected list - I've added your seconding for Ioreth back in, and I'm pretty sure that tp's vote tally should go down one, leaving him with 2 seconds.

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Aredhel


Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Aredhel (+1)
Nerdanel (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë
Ioreth (+1)

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/0
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/2
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/3

I'll try to think of who to second later...I'm not all together that fond of 99% of the women in Tolkien's works, so it's going to take awhile...

...How I hate responsibility! :D But you sorted out this mess without making me as the thread starter force some rule or another... :p

I think Pitch has to get his seconding back. So, here's the tally:


In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Aredhel


Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Nerdanel (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë
Ioreth (+1)

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/1
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/2
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/3


PS: here's a suggestion! TP, why don't you second Ioreth as well? ;) That way you will prove yourself not to be a "backstabbing scoundrel".

Would that solve whatever problems exist? If so....

++Ioreth

It should...Pitch's character is back in now. :D

And just because I'm bored, I'll update the list...I still haven't figured out who to spend my seconds on. :p


In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Aredhel
Ioreth

Nominated:
Earwen
Ungoliant (+1)
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Nerdanel (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/1
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/1
The Phantom 0/1
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/3

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Aredhel
Ioreth
Ungoliant

Nominated:
Earwen
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Yavanna (+1)
Arien
Nerdanel (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/1
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/0
The Phantom 0/1
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/3

All is forgiven, phantom.

OK, if I still have a seconding left, it goes to
++Yavanna
Because I have a thing for Earth Mother goddesses.

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Aredhel
Ioreth
Ungoliant
Yavanna

Nominated:
Earwen
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Arien
Nerdanel (+1)
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/0
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/0
The Phantom 0/1
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/3

I don't plan to nominate anyone else. Would anyone be terribly opposed to me using it as a second instead (just so we can get this going)?

Also, how many people do we plan to have? We have quite a nice list already.

I wouldn't be terribly opposed to it, though its not my thread...and I believe the plan was for 20 people on the final list, so we would need 6 more. :D I'm just hoping that one of my favs makes it on there...and I'm still trying to figure out who to use my seconds on. :p

Ah, quite right. I've no idea why it seems like such a big group, but we do in fact normally start with twenty. Still, that's six more. Hmmmm....


For what it's worth, I would love to see Shelob and Nerdanel on the final list, but I can't second them again. Hint, hint. ;)

I'd quite like to see Nimloth on the list...trade you Nerdanel's final second, for a second for Nimloth....

+Nerdanel in any case. She's okay, so I don't mind a second spent on her....

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Aredhel
Ioreth
Ungoliant
Yavanna
Nerdanel

Nominated:
Earwen
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Arien
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations / secondings left:
G55: 0/0
Pitch: 0/0
Sally: 1/0
Lottie: 0/0
Legate: 0/2
Tuor: 0/0
The Phantom 0/1
Mnemo: 2/2
Urwen: 0/0
Brooke: 1/2

Errrmmmmm.... why not?

And if that's so, from now on anyone can use their votes as either a nomination or a seconding... although I doubt anyone would want to nominate more people...

20.

Will you two be honest, or should we make you give the Oath of Feanor before you make the deal? ;)


Considering the latest changes:

In:
Thuringwethil
Lobelia
Goldberry
Rosie
Andreth
Galadriel
Elwing
Nienna
Ar-Zimraphel
Nienor
Aredhel
Ioreth
Ungoliant
Yavanna
Nerdanel

Nominated:
Earwen
Shelob (+1)
Varda
Arien
Vána (+1)
Dis
Silmariën
Éowyn
Erendis (+1)
Idril
Nimloth
Vairë

Nominations and secondings left:
G55: 0
Pitch: 0
Sally: 1
Lottie: 0
Legate: 2
Tuor: 0
The Phantom 1
Mnemo: 4
Urwen: 0
Brooke: 3

Perfectly honest - I do have a reputation to upload. ;)

Though, how would swearing the oath of Feanor help? Do Sally and I have to go fight to recover the Silmarils in return for our deal (assuming Sally finds it acceptable)? :eek:

No, you just have to call Eru as witness, and call the Everlasting Darkness upon youself if you break your word... :D ;)

/Not really.