:D

Alas, his nuisance value looks to have come to an end. But it was good while it lasted ... :p ;)

I agree with Boro that (too) many of the "juicy characters" have been ousted already because of fun and the remaining bunch isn't the most interesting one. :( (Di: I don't feel sorry for Gandalf, he's too much of a goody to be interesting in the end)

But how about looking at the entertainment value and something of any substance anyone can come up with these last ones?

Surely it won't be Gloin.
Surely it won't be Chrysophylax Dives.

Tolkien's Gimli is a reasonably interesting character (opposed to PJ's slapstick one)but Smaug probably has the most character of these remaining ones. Varda made the stars and they are a source of everlasting astonishment. Thorondor is a hero, but a bit thin one?

So let's just continue with the good idea of getting rid of Gloin first...

Sorry to be this open. But we're reaching the final stages here, so who cares?

Hmm... It seems Gloin is the one going away... Thorondor is, if not really interesting, more original than Gloin...

I really don't agree. It's hard to believe that dragons could fly by looking at all those pictures/films/whatever... They might be of a nice colour, but I prefer birds over dragons. (The reason might be that I got a really good look on a sparrow today, even such a tiny and "boring" bird looks wonderfull) AND (not so Tolkien text warning) there are far more great songs about eagles than about dragons!

For the sake of not agreeing ++Chrysophylax Dives!

The day is now over!

Gloin - 13
Thorondor - 8
Chrysophylax Dives - 1

Gloin stood quickly at the sound of his mothers voice calling him upstairs. He rushed to get there before she became to angry. He then had to wash dishes for an hour, so couldn't come up with a good way for him to leave the island.
:rolleyes:

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug

From the Second Age Survivor
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives

***************************************

You may now start voting and I may now start cleaning!

La de da...Oh the joys of favorites not threatened and votes not needed.

But just for the heck of it,

++Gimli, or the dragons might eat him.

EDIT: As it wasn't 2 yet, that vote was intended to count Yesterday and is thus being retracted:

--Gimli

Jenny, I will consider that the first vote of the day. :p

well i did eeny meeny miny mo, and it came up...

















++Gimli

Dragons don't fly! (Eagles do)

++Chrysophylax Dives

Two dragons are too much in the end.

One will have to do after this day.

Smaug is more of a personality.

++Chrysophylax Dives

I try the pity card and it doesn't work...phooey. What unpitiable downers we have here. :rolleyes:

Two dragons, and one is from the Minor Works as well.

++Chrysophylax Dives

++Thorondor

He's ugly!

Exactly what Menel said.

++Chrysophylax Dives

Finaly I can steal that identety !

++Chrysophylax Dives

So sad that you would rather keep Smaug, a rather bland dragon character, too sterotypical, instead of keeping a rather fascinating dragon with an unusual personality.

C'mon Morm! Give us some details about Chrysophylax's personality and place in Tolkien all-star survivor -list! It's too easy to say that Smaug is stereotypical character if Smaug is one of the monuments who has created that stereotype! It's like you would say that the Fellowship of the LotR is too stereotypical within the fantasy-genre... :rolleyes:

Okay

1. Instead of merely tending his horde he goes out on an adventure
2. He is clever and cunning but in a way that to me was different than most dragons
3. He's not such a massive and formidable foe that he is seen as insurmountable yet in the end he lives
4. He negotiated with Farmer Giles and manuevered his way out instead of simply killing him

All in all he is unlike any dragon I have ever known and much more interesting than anyone left...*lousy Hama evicters*

Talking about dragon-personalities, how could you have played an ancient game where you voted Glaurung out! Glaurung would have wiped these two out with just it's tail.

'kay then.
The merit of which is...? How being a fool makes you worthy of recognition? Do what you're good at, I say. Be what you are.
That's a subjective emotion, not an argument to be shared with others. And with the same logic, would you be supporting a Sauron who would have "felt different than the other servants of Morgoth" who would have spread beads and flowers around him? :)
Nice little fairy-dragon, now aren't we? So cute indeed? What's the point of a consiliatory dragon? Being nice enough to serve the morning TV-cartoons that are there only for the adds? And living in the end? What measure of character is that? The dead (or irretrievably gone) will bring forwards our emotions, not the ordinary "survivors" of the everyday... This is all stars!
Or having not character enough it had to yield to some petty farmer? One dragon we have here! A disgrace to it's kin!

You're serious? :D How come people are not taken by stories of you and me living our daily conciliatory lives? Because we're not interesting!

Chrysophylax is as interesting as the Teletubbies!

Don't count me in here though. I agree with you in this. Hama had more emotional believability and stamina than a thousand Chrysophylaxes...

++Chrysophylax

Okay, I'm happy to see him having gotten this far. But the truth is, I don't really know who he is, and as such I can hardly say that I want him to win. However interesting minor works characters may be, I'm just not convinced they have what it takes to win at All-Star. When you think "All-Star" (in any sense, not just this), you think of big names, the greatest ones. That doesn't describe Minor Works.

And there's two dragons. We got rid of a second Dwarf; dragons should not be shown the preference.

I think the big eagle guy has given us all he's got to give now, it's time for him to go.
I'm sure he'll fare well wherever he fares, and that his eyrie will receive him at his journey's end.

++THORONDOR

Well, I would rather see Gimli go today, but if I have to choose between the winged beasties, I'd rather evict Thorondor. We shall see...


Dragons absolutely deserve preference! Majestic, noble, terrifying creatures with a terrific sense of humor.

++ Thorondor

I find it curious that people are saying that they don't know anything about Chrysophylax and defending characters like Smaug and Thorondor about which we really know rather less. Smaug's claim to fame seems to rest entirely on the fact that he was in The Hobbit, specifically two chapters. He only had a few aspects of his personality developed.

We know nothing about what Thorondor was like. I'm still puzzled about why he was included in the first place.

Chrysophylax was basically the subject of an entire story and had multiple facets of his personality developed.

It seems to me that the people who are saying that we don't "know" anything about Chrysophylax are either A) betraying their woeful ignorance of Farmer Giles of Ham (and, in fact, might have never read it) or B) are being thoroughly dishonest and hypocritical.

I have never denied never having read most of the minor works. When I say "I don't really know anything about him" I mean just that: I personally don't, even if the information is out there.

Then your reasoning is vacuous because you are relying on your own ignorance and apathy to guide your vote. You have no conviction or knowledge about the subject toward which you are purporting to contribute.

++ Thorondor

Strange that many of us were saying he was the most boring Survivor character to ever get this far - what? Two rounds (days, whatever) ago?

I'm all for evening things up, but even an admittedly-not-as-vicious-as-most-dragon is more exciting than a boring air ride without the peanuts and Dr. Pepper. :rolleyes:

Meh. The more dragons, the merrier.

--Chrysophylax Dives

++Thorondor

aye menel, aye

--Gimli

++Thorondor

Well I suppose.

I'm not starting a "Save-Chrysophylax-Dives!" campaign (though he happens to be the main vote-getter right now).

I will fully admit, however, to trying to restart a "Get-Thorondor-the-Hell-Out-of-Here!" campaign. :p

Very well then.

++ THORONDOR

Have you read Tolkien?

Because his dragons fly.


Smaug did not create the stereotype. Really, Nogrod, this is quite the ignorant statement.


So in that case, everyone who has gone on an adventure in Tolkien's works is a fool. Bilbo, Frodo, Sam... well let's just say the whole Fellowship were a a bunch of idiots.


This doesn't describe Chrysophlyax any more than saying dragons don't fly does. He was smart and canny, that's not the same as cute, nice, or consiliatory. Just because someone brought up Puff earlier doesn't mean it's an accurate comparison.


That's a matter of opinion. Personally I find the ability to stay alive is a better measure of a true survivor than someone who gets killed because he just had to go out and flame the town.

However, whether you think Smaug is better than Chrysi or not is kind of beside the point, since

+ + THORONDOR

is still around.

As the author of that comparison to Puff, I would like to point out that it was pure silliness in the spirit of Mirth, and meant to point out that not all dragons are evil. Not to say that Chrysi was Puff, which is, of course, absurd. ;) :D

So what's the alternative - to rely on others' opinions? That would totally defeat the purpose of playing in the first place if I didn't go by my own opinions. Ignorance? Maybe. Apathy? No. I do care. And I don't want a character that I'd never heard of prior to this game to win - that is my conviction. Sorry. Maybe it is "my fault" that I've never heard of them, if fault it can be called. But it is what it is.

Yes, some of us might be voting off MW characters just because that's what they are. But saying we can't or shouldn't is pretty much saying we shouldn't be voting at all unless we've read the Minor Works. And I don't think that's right. There was a reason I didn't participate in the Minor Works Suvivor. Maybe I'm just tired and reading too much into it, and maybe it's all just part of the game, but that's not really the impression that I'm getting right now (and it's not just you, Kuru).

And I fail to see how "I've never heard of them" is a worse argument than "his name sounds funny," "just to save a different character," or the like. Fine. If those are better, I'm voting Chysophylax because I have to think to hard to spell his name and because the Eagles are cool so I'd like Thorondor to stick around.

++ Gimli

He is quite simply outclassed by the others.

I repeat my previous vote today:

++ Thorondor

It takes more than being just a deus ex machina to be an interesting character.

++Chrysophylax Dives.

As mentioned before, he is a rich snob who, compared to Smaug, is Puff the Magic Dragon. Now, seeing Smaug as coolness, and Chrys as the opposite, take these two scenarios.

1. Smaug flies over a town, letting out an enormous blast of fire, setting ablaze a large portion of the place. The fire shines light on his jeweled belly, and an awesome opera theme plays. Bad***.

2. Chrys...well, he doesn't really have anything for an intro. Lame. That, and this being the internet, he has a make-shift Kevin Bacon factor to Puff the Magic Dragon. It's like a fight between the Terminator and Pee-Wee Herman. Chrys is going down.

+ + THORONDOR

As the least interesting of the remaining contestants.

Some of these misconceptions about Chrysophylax Dives are really rather startling on what is supposed to be a Tolkien forum.

Let's face it, Dragons are cool in any circumstances and Tolkien's Dragons are particularly cool. We really get to know the likes of Smaug, Glaurung and Chrysophylax. Their great scaly frames are fleshed out, so to speak. They are given personality. OK, so that doesn't apply so much to Scatha and Ancalagon, but they're not the issue here. The other three have character in spades.

What sets Chys out from other Dragons, though, is that his immediate reaction to a problem is not to blunder about spouting fire everywhere and causing mass slaughter. He is no Puff the Magic Dragon, and gobbles up his fair share of Knights when the occasion demands it. But he is also able to think his way out of adversity where necessary. He is cunning and calculating. He has style. He does not fly into a rage at every opportunity and end up getting himself killed. As such, he is a true Survivor. At the very least, he deserves to be in the final.

I can understand why those who know nothing of him might wish to vote him off, but I would suggest that the proper reaction is instead to listen to those who actually know something about this character and/or go off and read about him yourself. I would venture to suggest that few who have actually read about Chrys would label him a dull or inconsequential character. On the contrary, he is complex and fascinating - perhaps one of the most interesting Dragons ever to have graced the pages of a novel.

Don't show your ignorance. Either listen to those who know or read about him yourself and make up your own mind.

Until he gets skewered by an arrow and flops to the ground like a bowl of petunias.


Ironic, considering in reality it was Smaug who went down and Chrys who stayed up.

The fight today isn't between Chrys and Smaug, however. It's between Chrys and Thorondor. Which is a shame, because the issue of either dragon vs. Thorondor is frankly a non-competition. Either one would just fry him mid air and be done with him. So why should he survive longer than either?


Well, you could try reading Farmer Giles of Ham. I mean, it's not unheard of for Tolkien fans to read Tolkien's minor works. I understand you feel a bit persecuted for your stance, but honestly, this is a Tolkien forum and when you loudly and proudly voice your ignorance of a Tolkien work, you're going to catch some flak for it from those who actually have read it.

++Gimli

You're arguing whether to lynch a dragon or a great eagle when you still have a dwarf in the game? This is unheard of!

Of course they were. :D And that's why we love them.

I'm leaving right now, and I won't be back until 6 hours after the deadline. So if anyone can cover for me today, it would be greatly appreciated!

I believe I could help out again. It will be about 2PM Eastern Time.