That's refreshing to hear, I thought I was just too darned obvious. Which was why I killed Hakon too, I didn't know whether he dreamed of me or not, protecting myself did not enter into my head. It just looked like he was playing the seer in a similar way to what I would. That is talking about a plan for the seer, but since he was the seer he was describing his own plan. Like what I wad attempting as the bear, lengthily describing what the bear should do, and try to do it. Although, my ultimate plan was to lynch the wolves and go for gifted at night, I figured this would keep the innocent village off my case for a while, but also start to eliminate wolves.

Which leads me to werebear rule #495: do not pave a nice road to wolf victory by lynching the hunter and killing the seer.

Absolutely brilliant strategy Sauce and Fea, you (like me) had to think about your own survival whether it be with the wolves or the village. And you put yourself in the perfect spot with all the power, the village couldn't lynch you and who cares if you gave the wolves a headache about whether to just kill you or not. :p

Well done wolf-team, but you may have under-estimated the threat, Nienna can probably remember my wolf-guesses after my death and I wasn't anywhere close. The only baddie I was came close to guessing was Greenie. I guess I could include Sauce, since he turned out to be a rotten villain too. :D

Super game Mira and Nienna, thanks for getting me to join, I can't believe I was actually dragging my feet, because I would hate myself for at least an hour if I missed out. :p

Oh it'll happen. I just need the inspiration to write the narrations. This whole school thing is really interfering.

Great game everyone! Especially the wolfsies and luuuurvly lovers! But grrrr wolfsies for killing off Borobear so early. I was so looking forward to the havoc he was going to wreck. :(

Still waiting on those cookies, sally dear. :p

Don't be too bothered, after all it just proves werebear rules #1 thru #642 (excluding #214 and #495):

Mira's lack of strategy is supremely better than Borangutan's attempt to come in with a plan for the werebear. :D

Hey I had a strategy! Kill the people who annoyed me. :cool::p

Well, it would have completely changed the game, had you had your way. I was hoping that I had attracted enough suspicion on Day 1 (thanks largely to you, funnily enough) for the Wolves to leave me alone. Also, Fea and I were both mentioned as possible Cobblers at various times, which we thought might be to our benefit. In that regard, we were quite annoyed when Greenie turned out to be the Cobbler.

Why? Because of the revenge kill? Or because you thought that our votes more likely to favour you than the innocents? Because, as known non-Wolves, our continued presence increased the chances of innocents voting for a Wolf.

I am interested, because I was really worried that you would attack one of us at Night and go for the sole victory. As a Wolf, I would have been sorely tempted to. :D

I never did dream of Boro. I dreamed of Sally the first night and Pitchwife the second night. I originally planned of dreaming Pitch the first night and SPM the second night and Boro the third night but things shifted. I had SPM pegged for the ranger around the time I died and Boro pegged for either the cobbler or a wolf. I would like to apologize for being such a horrible seer. I clearly make a much better ranger.

I wasn't much shakes as a ranger. Then again, as Fea accurately noted in game, the strategy of the ranger changes quite a bit when all the other gifteds check out by Day 2. You're limited to trying to protect likely innocents. Unfortunately, the only innocent I was entirely sure of was me. :rolleyes:

My mistake, I completely misread it.

"This crazy bear...I think her name was Mira, came up with an infinitely superior strategy than what Borangutan could ever possibly come up with." :p

I am annoyed that I did not dream of you in this game. My meta game reasoning had you as a gifted. The reason being I am always suspicious of you and the seer could talk with gifteds they dreamed of in this game.

Could certainly have made a difference, especially if you'd gotten hold of Morsul. All of us able to PM might have been decisive. Ah, the possibilites....

I don't actually remember all the PM's we shared by then, but my view was that your revenge-kill might actually cripple our lines as there were such great odds for you to hit it right. I mean you would have gone with lynching Roa the next Day - and the other one had decent chances of shooting it right with the vengeance - and staying as a known innocent that Inzil could guard the Night he would then have died... so the lynching on the next Day would have been really tense - and bad in numbers for us.

And well anyway... There were a bit too many if's with that vengeange kill (the possibility of Roa being lynched to add there) and the remaining lover playing for the innocents as a known innocent - alongside Inzil making it two in the worst case etc...

So a deal... at least in the short sight was better for us. I mean I actually wasn't sure the game was going to end when it did. It was actually 2 against 3 and not an ending position...

But talking of my position, I would have voted for making it a shared win by killing Nerwen then, but who knows had I been persuaded... :rolleyes:


On another issue: don't blame yourself Hakon, it's not everyDay the seer makes the right choices. Quite the contrary...

Because the night belongs to Lovers...
 

Fea and Sauce, you're a pair of evil, scheming, unconscionable, brilliant cuties! All is fair in Love and Werewolf, of course, and you played your cards splendidly. I really hated having to miss Day 3, even more when I came back, saw what had happened in the meantime and found myself D.O.A. just when the game got truly exciting - but it was great entertainment to read, and I bit my nails in suspense how it would all turn out. Congratulations on a magnificent performance and a deserved victory!
Same to the Wolves. If I'm permitted to quote myself -
Indeed. Near the end of Day 2, I had this horrible hunch that she was right (so good decision to kill me when you did!), but just couldn't lay my finger on sufficient evidence, being way too tired at the time. When Greenie was revealed as the cobbler*, I naturally doubted my suspicion, but my death pretty much confirmed it. Don't know how it would have gone if I'd survived for another Day - you might have succeeded fooling me again, especially with your reactions to the Lovers' reveal. Reading Nog's fervent pleas on behalf of the innocents, I found myself thinking, 'He'd never be such a flaming hypocrite if he were a wolf, would he?' But of course you would - what a cunning way to sound Fea's and Sauce's true intentions, and great acting!
*(I'm very curious whether she actually spotted you two as wolves and did it on purpose, counting on herself to be lynched so that the suspicion she'd voiced would be discredited when her role was revealed.)
Brinn, congrats on eluding me completely! You were a worthy packmate to our two loudmouths. And when you drew attention to Greenie's suspicion of Nog and Roa, was that a deliberate attempt to find out who would take the bait and need to be killed?
McCaber, finally, was the ultimate pawn sacrifice. Nice wolf-on-wolf there.
Boro - seems the Bear is an endangered species these Days, but at least you had a juicy last meal devouring our Seer.
Condolences and respect to all my fellow innocents, especially Nerwen and Zil who showed us how to lose a game gracefully. Out of curiosity, Morsul, who would you have Hunted if you hadn't been lynched?
I second that. It's largely a matter of luck, and staying alive long enough (which is the trickier part).

I understand, and I am not in the least bit offended.

I would have lynched me too. :)

And I would like to second Pitch on congratulating Zil and Nerwen for showing the world how to lose gracefully (and with brilliant parody).

I'm amused and honoured to have made it into your sig. :D

I laughed my entire way through reading it, and still found myself giggling twenty minutes later.

One thing I would like to add is that when Boro and I spoke after our deaths he told me he was going to tell me who the wolves are, I told him let me guess first. I guessed two correct, Roa and Nog.

Man I hate how you can only rep so many people in 24 hours...Sorry if I haven't gotten to you yet. :(

, Morsul, who would you have Hunted if you hadn't been lynched?
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once again without much to go on Nerwen would have been my vote she's very clever it was really either her or Roa they're good at Seeming reasonable...

Good job, Wolves. Lovers, you made me mad, but good game. :rolleyes::D

I almost protected you the night you got it, Lottie. But somehow Nog still looked better. :rolleyes:

Wow, even having a criminal lack of internet on the crucial day turned out alright. Way to carry on, guys.

And 3rded to what Pitch and Nog said.

A lot of the times too, it depends upon not only what side you are on, but who your enemies are. Like my first game as a wolf, I had phantom and Lalaith as partners, we went straight through and none of us got lynched. But another game as a wolf, phantom and Lalaith were innocent, and I was lynched Day 1 - both voted for me and phantom gave the final vote to put me in the lead, because they knew my wolf-habits and I was acting the same.

Or I should have figured out in this game, when Nog and I are on opposing sides, I have been a pain in his rear too many times, and if he doesn't kill me early I make him regret it. :p

It's not that being killed/lynched early = you played bad, a lot of it depends not only on who is playing, but what roles they have. ;)

Thanks! That was the meaning behind the act... I was kind of ovr-playing it as it looked like it was something we needed and for the principle I had to keep the act as we wwere not sure of the lovers' intentions... and it was fun to overdo it! Had it been tighter I would probably been a bit less "obvious".

It worked anyway! :p

And my apologies to you Pitch for us to kill you at that stage, but you were one who could have been able to make right deductions but as you were away you had not said anything - so a perfect kill for us...

Heh, that's werewolf.

Absolutely! But the funny thing is that after Roa called for a "strong player" to be killed - favouring Spm - I was actually the one who said we should pick you instead, if we had to do that.

I mean I'm still to that old-fashioned "let the threathening people live" -school who is more for a real struggle against an easy win (which of course is never free or easy whatever the set-up is). So I was absolutely against killing Saucie as it would have been also plain unfair him being killed after the first Day of the game second time in a row after a long pause thus making him not able to participate the actual game at all. So I just half-jokingly said we should pick Boro instead as he has been such a pain in the... if we were taking down a "loudmouth" who could be a problem.

And after waking up to a new Day I realised Brinn and Roa had decided going after you (Brinn agreeing with my reasons to leave Spm live).

It looks like me and Brinn are the only remaining romantics of this game... :rolleyes:


Exactly. And also some people tend to get killed early on by either side - just to be sure... or dreamt of by the seer early on... Which is kind of a bad thing if you were one of those, but with which one has to live with.

You were actually crucial to our win - whether you wanted it to happen that way or not... Whatever your reasons to post that little or say what you did in the few posts you made aided us as a team a long way! So kudos for that! :)

Hey, no need to apologize - I would have done the same. In a way, I take it as a compliment.
Which reminds me, I forgot to compliment and thank Mira and Nienna for their modding - how rude of me! Great theme, a mix of roles that guaranteed an interesting and surprising game, and very well handled (never mind the narrations). Thank you both!

Evidently Nog was not around for the end of the game. Have you not seen Fea and SPAM? ;)

Why do you call him SPAM instead of SPM?

That's a very good question. Ask another. ;)

Actually, I'm not entirely sure. I saw it somewhere, and thought it was funny, so it just became a habit...I can call him SPM if that's better...

When Sauce first joined he was a a notorious spammer, filling threads up with complete falsities like how half the dwarves of Bilbo's company were females. It got so bad the powers that be temporarily banned him, but have allowed him to come back as long as he takes the Moderator of Spam job that opened up. That is he has to spend his whole life on the forum dedicated deleting and banning other spammers...kind of an ironic punishment.

We like vowels. And the SPM options were Spam, Spem, Spim, Spom, and Spum.

And either he could be canned ham or gibberish.

*is flattered* Hey, you haven't seen Nerwolf in action yet...;)

I am not clear why you would think this necessary, though. It was clear that our best interests by the stage that we revelaed were in allying with the Wolves. We were completely honest about our intentions and made no bones of the fact that we would have sought alliance with the Innocents had that been in our best interests.

Um, I think that the outcome of this game proves otherwise. ;)

Yes, and it can get infuriating sometimes that the more vocal you are, the more you participate in the game, the easier you are to lynch. I felt that way a bit on Day 1, when it seemed that everyone (and Roa in particular) was seizing on whatever I said and using it against me.

:D

Actually, the bit about the female Dwarves is correct. And Boro is half right in that I have (not unfairly) acquired the reputation as a rather verbose poster, in WW games in particular. I try to fight against it, but I think that it's just in my nature ...

Oh, and that reminds me. Roa, I take it that your admonishment to me as a forum moderator was part of the act (I hope it was), but I should point out that I have not been a mod here for over two years.

Talking of spam, I must get round to sorting out those Lovers' letters ...

Another song for Fea and Sauce. Original here, original lyrics there.

Just look at us - we’re a living nightmare
We’re Moddess Mira's favourite pair
We write great poems and cause mayhem
And we’ll flirt with the Wolves and sell you to them
Just play with us and you will see
we’re worse than a Cobbler could ever be
We count as innocents, but we're Lovers too
So don't expect us to side with you
For as long as we're together all is well -
We’re the Traitor Lovers from Hell!

If your Hunter is lynched on Day One
and the Bear eats your Seer just for fun
If the Wolves tear out the last ordo's heart
don't blame us, we're just playing our part
If Noggerwolf gets down to beg
you can count on it: you're as good as dead
If you won't help us win we'll throw you under the bus
cos morals is a foreign word to us
We'll vote you and retract to you as well
Cos we’re Traitor Lovers from Hell!

There’s nothing innocentish about us two romantics
Can’t you tell?
There’s nothing innocentish about us two romantics
from Hell!

We'll confuse you with talk about Wolvish Friends
as long as it furthers our own ends
We'll help a Wolf to lynch his daughter
We'll gladly see the whole village slaughtered
We'll lynch your Ranger, and Nerwen dies too
as long as it means victory for us two
We'll sell you all to the furry three
All we ask in return is, Let us be
For as long as we're together all is well -
We're the Traitor Lovers from Hell!

Of course it was. And I think the last time I played was about 2 years ago.

Hakon, someone just thought it would be funny to call him the SPAM man, and it caught on. That's all.

You may also see him referred to as Espiem. I'm not certain if that started from LMP, or if LMP got it from him.

Oh, and I feel the need to point out that the first bandwagon didn't have a single wolf. ^_^

Thanks "Friends" :p

*giggles*

Yay Pitch! That made my morning. :)

Lover's PMs - Day 1
 

I found it too difficult to edit our PMs, so here they are in their entirety. Feel free to peruse or skip as you see fit ...

Lovers' PMs - Day 2
 

Continuing the series of soppy love notes ...

Lovers' PMs - Day 3
 

The Day of the big reveal ...

Good grief. Amazing how off-beam my speculations were on this Day. In my defence, I was relying on alcohol to keep me awake through the early hours ...

Lovers' PMs - Day 4
 

More love-struck missives ...