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Gwathagor

11-02-2008 06:56 PM

This is from Day 2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil (Post 571464)

Stop that. Really, no matter who you are you don't want me lynched. Cross my heart and promise. The wolves want me alive, the village wants me alive, and when it comes time for my death, you'd better believe that it's best for everybody if it's on my own terms. I'm blowing off my night class and going shopping. Don't kill me while I'm gone.

Well, Brinniel, it looks like you are right. Something else entirely...

I wouldn't guess cobbler, though.

satansaloser2005

11-02-2008 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor (Post 571929)

This is from Day 2.

Well, Brinniel, it looks like you are right. Something else entirely...

I wouldn't guess cobbler, though.

Ummmm....I have a theory, but if I was right and I told everyone Fea would probably kill me. Blast, it makes so much sense though. *hates being cryptic, but there's really no way around this one*

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil (Post 571674)

Not only was he attacked, but he was protected. It would be funny if he was also dreamed of, provided we have a seer-type role floating around. Not that I'm a proponent of the seer coming forward at this point to answer that question. Not unless you've got some useful information to give.

I'm thinking- he caught a few eyes at least. Maybe the lovers picked him because he was an easy kill: hard to trace somebody everybody's looking at. Much easier to ask questions about why a pair of lovers would want to kill Kitanna. Not that they're questions with answers, but can you see my point? If I was picking a 'wolf' kill, I'd pick somebody who'd cause harmless talk the next day. If I was Ranger, I'd pick the player it seemed most likely to me the 'wolves' would want. If I was Seer, I'd pick somebody I didn't think was going to die in the night. What good's a Seer dream of somebody who isn't alive?

Have Lovers games ever had Hunter characters? Could be amusing. Can you imagine a sort of Cupid figure chasing after bad guys in the night with a bow and arrow? It could be a sort of Romeo and Juliet thing: the Hunter dies and takes someone out with him. You know, Hunter's almost a lover role in itself. It would fit, in terms of theme.

Thoughts? The more I think on it, the more outrageous it seems, but hey... you never know.

Oh, this was the post that made me initially wonder abut Fea. All the role talk caught my attention. It's from, um, Day 3, I think?

satansaloser2005

11-02-2008 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor (Post 571931)

Oh, this was the post that made me initially wonder abut Fea. All the role talk caught my attention. It's from, um, Day 3, I think?

You and I seem to be on somewhat the same track. That's all I'll say.

Alternatively, if I'm correct, Gwath and Gollum each have a vote, just in case anyone was wondering. I'll go back and check to make sure, but I'm heading back to campus in a bit so I'll be gone for about an hour (Walmart run and getting ready to watch "Butterfly Effect" with a friend, if anyone's interested in my pathetic social life heh)

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005 (Post 571930)

Ummmm....I have a theory, but if I was right and I told everyone Fea would probably kill me. Blast, it makes so much sense though. *hates being cryptic, but there's really no way around this one*

CAN she kill you? That didn't sound like it was part of the deal.

Brinniel

11-02-2008 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwath

Well, Brinniel, it looks like you are right. Something else entirely...

I wouldn't guess cobbler, though.

Well, a cobbler type is only a guess. But this a special game, so I imagine Di has come up with some unique roles.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2008 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinniel (Post 571934)

I imagine Di has come up with some unique roles.

Maybe like the role I outlined for you? Or is that not unique-enough for you?

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 07:04 PM

Fea is clearly The Prostitute, i.e. the ENTIRE VILLAGE'S lover! If she dies, we all die.

(I am joking.)

satansaloser2005

11-02-2008 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor (Post 571933)

CAN she kill you? That didn't sound like it was part of the deal.

Sorry, should clarify. I meant that figuratively, as in she would be really hacked off, not as in I would die in the game. Whoops.:rolleyes:

EDIT: x'd with Fea and an EXTREMELY amusing Gwath. I seriously lol'd. Literally. And loudly, while we're at it.

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 07:05 PM

I see.

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 07:06 PM

Fea, I'm interested to know who you dreamed and on which Nights.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2008 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor (Post 571936)

Fea is clearly The Prostitute, i.e. the ENTIRE VILLAGE'S lover! If she dies, we all die.

(I am joking.)

This is one of the funniest things I've read in my entire life. You've no idea how accurate you are...

satansaloser2005

11-02-2008 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil (Post 571940)

This is one of the funniest things I've read in my entire life. You've no idea how accurate you are...

Okay, I'm assuming I'm wrong then.

A Seer/Ranger combination was along the lines that I was thinking. So I AM stupid. Go me. Blah.

Really have to leave now.

Brinniel

11-02-2008 07:09 PM

Vote Count:

Greenie: ++Gollum (Gollum 1)
Eomer: ++Gwath (Gollum 1, Gwath 1)
Nogrod: ++McCaber (Gollum 1, Gwath 1, McCaber 1)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fea

Maybe like the role I outlined for you? Or is that not unique-enough for you?

A role that could possibly kill off the entire village? That sounds rather too unique...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwath

Fea is clearly The Prostitute, i.e. the ENTIRE VILLAGE'S lover! If she dies, we all die.

Haha :p

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil (Post 571940)

This is one of the funniest things I've read in my entire life. You've no idea how accurate you are...

Let this be a testament to the inherent wisdom of comedy.

I need to go call my sister and wish her a happy birthday, but I'll be back.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2008 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor (Post 571939)

Fea, I'm interested to know who you dreamed and on which Nights.

Night 1: Rikae
Night 2: Nog
Night 3: Mac

Brinniel

11-02-2008 07:13 PM

So Fea is saying she's basically a time bomb waiting to go off.

I don't believe her. But it doesn't matter...we shouldn't worry about lynching her anyway. Instead, let's just ignore her and focus on finding the actual lovers.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2008 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinniel (Post 571942)

could possibly kill off the entire village?

Yeah well, it hasn't happened yet.

Also I should mention that I suspect Diamond chose specific players for specific roles.

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil (Post 571946)

Yeah well, it hasn't happened yet.

Also I should mention that I suspect Diamond chose specific players for specific roles.

What makes you think this?

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2008 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor (Post 571948)

What makes you think this?

Because how many other people do you know who could pull off my role with such success?

satansaloser2005

11-02-2008 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fea

Because how many other people do you know who could pull off my role with such success?

Just so we're clear....

No one in this game has ego problems at all, right? *checks* Okay, just checking. ;)

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 08:13 PM

My Reason
Aganzir - seems innocent
Gollum - seems innocent, maybe guilty
Nogrod - seems innocent
Brinniel - seems innocent
Fea - I think she's telling the truth and has some crazy role

My Intuition
Sally - I think that sally is playing it safe/quiet and is probably a lover
Shasta - I think the same thing about shasta
McCaber - the suspicions he expressed earlier did seem suspicious in terms of their timing, but I still feel far less suspicious of him than I do of the previous two

Nothing
Groin - I don't think he's been in once toDay
Eomer - I don't know
Greenie - I don't know

McCaber

11-02-2008 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Because how many other people do you know who could pull off my role with such success?

It's true. I would have cracked long ago from that sort of pressure.

In other news, Gwath is posting more. A few throwaways but that hilarious comment almost makes me forgive it.

Brinn is suspecting people, but in this situation I feel it's entirely healthy. Someone has to doubt Fea's crazy reveal.

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 08:59 PM

I went back and read all of McCaber's posts. Based on intuition, I think he is innocent. I could be wrong, but I am not going to vote him toDay unless I have to in order to save myself.

Of the players that I did not initially esteem innocent, this leaves Sally, Eomer, Shasta, Groin, and Greenie.

I am going to say, with Nogrod, that Groin is probably innocent. There is no way he would be so completely uninvolved if he was a bad guy. Some players, but not Groin.

This, then, leaves Sally, Shasta, Eomer, and Greenie. I think Sally and Shasta have been the quietest of the two, and so I will probably vote one of them.

McCaber

11-02-2008 09:05 PM

I think now is an appropriate time to vote.

++Gollum

Our villains have changed strategies towards killing the loud ones. To fight them it's time to start lynching the quiet ones.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2008 09:15 PM

Greenie: ++Gollum (Gollum 1)
Eomer: ++Gwath (Gollum 1, Gwath 1)
Nog: ++McCaber (Gollum 1, Gwath 1, McCaber 1)
McCaber: ++Gollum (Gollum 2, Gwath 1, McCaber 1)

Still to vote:

Groin
Aganzir
Gollum
Brinniel
Sally
Shasta
Gwath
Fea

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2008 09:35 PM

Night time end of daylight savings stuff eats me. My clock says 10:52. My body says midnight. My body also says I've been under a crazy amount of stress over the past week. So I need to go to bed. So I need to vote.

You know I don't know any baddies definitively. I do know who not to vote for. Ranger-person, I'm not sure if I should ask you to guard me tonight, or Nog. If I knew that the Lovers believed what I said about being taking them out with me...

But I don't.

I'll just have to assume that either Nog or I (or both) will die in the night.

Given that: don't kill Eomer. He's slippery, but I don't think he's evil. Don't vote Nog. He's definitely innocent.

++Groin

Because I hate having people around who may as well not be. I don't like the risk of them. I know... pot and kettle... Who am I to talk of risk?

Oh well.

Tired.

Gollum the Great

11-02-2008 10:19 PM

I don't think I'll make it back till tomorrow, so I'll vote now.

++McCaber

Gwathagor

11-02-2008 10:22 PM

++Sally

McCaber

11-02-2008 10:35 PM

Greenie: ++Gollum (Gollum 1)
Eomer: ++Gwath (Gollum 1, Gwath 1)
Nog: ++McCaber (Gollum 1, Gwath 1, McCaber 1)
McCaber: ++Gollum (Gollum 2, Gwath 1, McCaber 1)
Fea: ++Groin (Gollum 2, Gwath 1, McCaber 1, Groin 1)
Gollum: ++McCaber (Gollum 2, McCaber 2, Gwath 1, Groin 1)
Gwath: ++Sally (Gollum 2, McCaber 2, Gwath 1, Groin 1, Sally 1)

Yet to vote:
Groin
Aganzir
Brinniel
Sally
Shasta

Could I hear some reasoning for the last couple of votes? Gollum's especially. I don't think I was ever on his list of suspects.

I'm also not that big a fan of spreading out the votes this much with so many villains still on the loose.

Aganzir

11-02-2008 11:02 PM

Grr why do you people have to post so much when I have only little time to read through?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sally

You haven't proposed to me yet. I'm trying to decide whether to be grateful or insulted.

You should be funnier. :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gollum

Aganzir, I have given you all my reasons for believing you (in the past) to be excited. Why are you continuing to question me on that topic?

Because I have seen none. You have "explained" why I seemed jumpy to you, but as far as I'm concerned, you've never elaborated on what makes me seem excited. Remember also

Quote:

Originally Posted by me

I myself can't see me as too excited. You, of course, have never played with me and don't know how I am, and therefore you should have no way of knowing if I'm excited or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cab

I'd doubt you, but I don't think you can make something like that up.

She very well could.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwath

I imagine that a baddie would have continued to pursue the case even after Gollum's response, as there seemed to be a substantial degree of suspicion developing against Gollum. If what she wanted was to lynch an innocent, she was doing a pretty good job and would have had no reason to stop.

Arrrr I did not stop suspecting Gollum! His response made me feel better about him ie I am not all that certain about him anymore. He's still the best option I have. And if I was a baddie I wouldn't want to lynch an innocent but another lover pair.

We shouldn't take Nog's innocence for granted before Fea has died and been proven either honest or lying. How likely it is for Nog to survive much longer, I don't know, though.
I wouldn't put it past a lover-Fea and Eomer to make such a show.

Aganzir

11-02-2008 11:15 PM

Okay I should be going in one minute if I want to be at school on time.

++Gollum

Let's see if I'm still alive tomorrow. :cool:

Brinniel

11-02-2008 11:30 PM

The vote count (again):

Greenie: ++Gollum (Gollum 1)
Eomer: ++Gwath (Gollum 1, Gwath 1)
Nog: ++McCaber (Gollum 1, Gwath 1, McCaber 1)
McCaber: ++Gollum (Gollum 2, Gwath 1, McCaber 1)
Fea: ++Groin (Gollum 2, Gwath 1, McCaber 1, Groin 1)
Gollum: ++McCaber (Gollum 2, McCaber 2, Gwath 1, Groin 1)
Gwath: ++Sally (Gollum 2, McCaber 2, Gwath 1, Groin 1, Sally 1)
Aganzir: ++Gollum (Gollum 3, McCaber 2, Gwath 1, Groin 1, Sally 1)

Hasn't voted: Brinn, Sally, Shasta, Groin (who probably won't vote)

McCaber

11-02-2008 11:37 PM

And we enter the final hour.

satansaloser2005

11-02-2008 11:39 PM

Cabbie, Gwath, or Gollum? Cabbie, Gwath, or Gollum?

Gollum's acting pretty standard for a newbie. I know I did a lot of the same things my first couple games (in which I was innocent) so I'm willing to at least give him another Day to get things straightened out. For instance, toDay he at least tried to explain himself. Then again, I'm wary of people who spend all their posting space defending themselves and not concentrating on others.

Gwath has been more vocal toDay and since he's been more helpful toDay than the last few -that and his hilarious posts- I'm inclined to keep him around for a while. If nothing else, he'll keep the last few of us around amused. (Not saying that if I suspect him more I'll vote him, but unless he suddenly jumps to the top of the voting list I'm not likely to vote him)

That leaves Cabbie. I can't seem to get a read on him, and that worries me. So between the three of them, I'm up for killing him the most. Subject to change, of course, after I give everything another readthrough, but that's where I stand right now.

EDIT: x'd with Cabbie, and bolding, precious

satansaloser2005

11-02-2008 11:43 PM

Going with my gut and voting now, just in case I randomly fall asleep or something.

++Cabbie

Brinniel

11-02-2008 11:58 PM

++McCaber

While I'm glad to see he's made an effort to post more, he still remains at the bottom end of the post count. And what bothers me about that is how he continues to suspect and go after his fellow quiet players. Even more suspicious is that what McCaber has said pretty much goes with the flow with what everyone else has said. He plays too safely.

I'm also suspicious of Sally who's been playing fairly safe thus far, and I'm still unsure about Gollum.

McCaber

11-02-2008 11:59 PM

And that's just about it for me. I suppose anything else than grim fatalism would ruin the mood.

McCaber

11-03-2008 12:17 AM

Doomed because I missed the first day and have a social life around Halloween. Ah well.

satansaloser2005

11-03-2008 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCaber (Post 571979)

Doomed because I missed the first day and have a social life around Halloween. Ah well.

*hugs* Don't worry, the same fate will probably befall me as well.

Since you're dead (I assume, best wait to be sure I suppose) you wouldn't want to give us any last minute advice or tell us what you might know, would you? Good of the village and all that. :)

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