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Wow, so Nogrod was right. And Glirdan really didn't dream Night 3. Who knew so many people were actually telling the truth!
Diamond, thanks for such a great game :D Impressive record-keeping skills there too. |
Well...at least I was right about Glirdan being a true Owl.
And two true owls has got to be the secret. Oh, and I was the transformed Duck. Quack! I was so frustrated!! I was thought suspicious only for things I said when I was innocent and for being right about Glirdan not being a Goose! Saucie, I have got to believe you thought me innocent, since you got me killed. But...I forgive you, because this is the first time being on the evil side has been a winning situation for me. I really would love to be innocent for once...all the way through...my reputation is horrible. |
Well at least Nogrod can take some sastisfaction from the fact that he was right about there being two Owls.
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*yells at screen* Yay, Glirdan! *laughs maniacally at Ang* They were both Owls. *yells* "Noooooo, Suacie is the Goose! Don't trust him! Look at his blatant mis-direction! Argh! *yells some more* No! Vote Kath quickly! *sigh* That's it. The game is over. And in the end, while I had very good reasons for dropping out, I still wish I had been able to play. Good game all. |
Question for Di:
Was I a cursed villager from the get-go, or was whoever the Ducks went for Night 2 going to be turned into a Duck? |
Diamond, players:
I have to hand it to you, that was one of the best games I've ever seen played. The dual seers/extra ducks/cursed/cobbler- it all worked out. Anguirel, excellent job as the Hawk! Such a pity people had to drop out... this was one of the best games ever that I've seen. And, I'll confess... I'm sympathetic to Wolfish (Ducky) wins whenever I'm not playing... so kudos indeed to Quath and the Saucepan Goose. Excellent job, by the way, Saucy- a much better showing than as a Cobbler in Anguirel's game. |
Well, dears. Cailín is back. And what a mess you made without me.
I have been (sort of) keeping up with the game since Wednesday and called my brother today and told him to vote for Saucepan Man - fast. I was so sure he was the final Duck… firstly because he was still alive and Lalaith was killed instead of him, while both Owls declared him innocent. And secondly, because he was being foolish. I mean, Nogrod? He should have gone after *non*-me or Kath. That's why I finally decided that you, SpM, were the big evil quacker, instead of Kath. Of course, I thought the Goose was long dead. Well done, bro. I told you guys he is smarter than me. He had Kath pinned down almost immediately. You hunted me, Ang? How could you? I hate being hunted. Diamond18 - wonderful job modding despite all the dropouts. You were great. I hope that, in hindsight, you understand my decision to make the Cailín / Non-Cailín thing public. No one who has played with me before would believe those were my posts. By the way, my bro was far more engaged in the game than his posts show, but he has his final exams coming up and was a bit too shy to post many extensive theories. Hopefully, he will get his own account in the near future. I apologise for abandoning you all, but it could really not be helped. I returned on Wednesday but was so out of reality and Downs-reality that I decided it would be best to let my brother finish the game. Saucy - wow. I cannot believe you can still pull it off. Should we ever trust you again? |
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Saucie I fully knew you were the goose, otherwise you were being too obtuse to not see my points
'oh no her votes seem too duckish to be a duck' How did anybody buy that tripe? I'm so upset I could scream!!! ACK!!!! We could have ended this days ago if only I had been heeded. *sigh* this has been far too stressful for me. Diamond wonderful modding and this was possibly my favorite death. Thanks for going solemn and noble. |
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And N-C, you did a really good job, I hope to see you in future games with your own name! Though I suppose you could always sing up as Not-Cailín.... :p |
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Yes Mith, Nogrod can. He kept the idea up right to the end, and needs something to make up for his rather violent death.
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Argh. I must have been the most catastrophic Hunter in history...
At least my deception regarding Lalaith and the Nightingale's death preserved that extra dream... |
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DIAMOND!!! I LOVED MY DEATH!!
Thank you so much for using my little rhyme (I sent it with the Lalaith-Kill the night before)...I will say now that it is Dr. Seuss's, not mine, but I was just thrilled to find it in my death. |
Oh, you horrible, horrible ducks. I've never been killed so early in a game before, and I was FURIOUS.
And Diamond, you are a fiend in human form. Two Owls AND an extra duck? Oh, poor Glirdan. *laughs, cries* I too, like Cailin, had Saucie down for a duck - ever since he went after morm. Morm was so clearly innocent, he would never have risked killing Ang that night. And an innocent Saucie would have pointed that out. Kudos to Mith, for being right about lots of things, and to Ang for trying to maintain the life of the Nightingale beyond death.... |
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Sauce for the Goose ...
Hehe. Glad to see that I was not mistaken. I have been on tenterhooks all the way home from work. :D
I have a lot to say about this game. It was completely exhilarating and utterly confusing. If you thought the double-Owl thing was confusing from your perspective, imagine how astonished I was when Mith turned out not to be a Duck. Still, it served my purposes as it was pretty much accepted thereafter that the Goose was dead (sorry, Glirdy). Sorry also to Nilp, spawn and Jenny for not helping you out. I had no idea you were Ducks (although I had a feeling about spawn). I was rather pleased with my role in "outing" Mith (happily accepting the idignity of being labelled stupid), but was horrified when Glirdan then came out and named spawn. When spawn was lynched and turned out to be a Duck, I thought that it was all over (not knowing there was an additional Duck) and that my "outing" of Mith had lost us the game. Thereafter, assuming Mith was the final Duck, I set about defending her. When she died and was shown to be innocent, I didn't know what to believe. But I thought "What the heck?". My guess was that one of them had been a False Owl. Not a great Goose showing up to that point. :rolleyes: Happily, I soon worked out that Kath was most likely the final Duck and set about protecting her instead. I couldn't be sure but, I mean, just look at her voting record. :p Did you guess I was a Goose, Kath, or did you just keep me alive because I appeared so convinced of your innocence? I spent the final two days briefing against morm and Noggy (sorry guys), because I was pretty sure that they were innocent and it was too difficult to make a case against non-Cailín. Today was pretty difficult, as I couldn't be sure that the Nightingale was not still with us (good job, there, Ang). Otherwise, I would simply have voted for myself. When I saw that Kath had turned up, I took my chance and placed my vote for Noggy. Running out of time ... Great game everyone, and fantastic modding, Di. The paranoia created by not knowing who was who when they died was brilliant. More later ... |
The awards are still coming, but I would just like to say -- there's not really one person to give a special award to for figuring out the secret. I haven't quite kept track, but several people got it or near to it:
Lalaith asked me in PM if there were two Owls the Night after Mith and Glirdy's revelations. Mithalwen voiced her suspicion and then belief that that was the case. Nogrod included it in one of his many, many possibilities. :D SpM thought at one point, I think, that there were two Owls, one false and one true. (I think it was you, Sauce, I have been forced to delete my PMs of course and didn't save all of them.) This was pretty close, since having a false seer was among my initial ideas for the game. In the end I went with two true seers, though. |
Well, I've learnt a cookery lesson...
Too many Owls spoil the broth! And my even record now spills into the losses again, sniff... |
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I was sure you were the Goose, Mith, just because you were so distraught, and so much chaos spun out around you.
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Cheers!
I would like to extend a special thanks to LMP. He helped me suss out the "secret" idea, working out something that would be exciting but still provide each side with equal chances of winning. He also had to endure some rather overdramatic "worried-mod" PMs. So thanks a million, Elempi!
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Holy Goose!
Well, I thought it aloud here even today, that there was something not right in that Mith - Glirdan -thing... But just pure excellence, Saucepan Man!!! (Although it was a bit nasty to take advantage of my absence from the active game-play.) And Kath! Just miraculous escapes day after another - and then victory, with a most valiant adjutant. Morm! I'm really sorry about you, but I quite truly believed you to be playing a fake game. My bad, I guess. I'll comment some more tomorrow. But just a fascinating game! And Diamond! You truly are the Queen of all the Moddess-Goddesses!!! And so mean... :cool: |
I have some of the Hawk-Nightingale correspondence-generally more of Lalaith's than mine-and will happily publish a slightly expurgated version if people want and Philomela agrees.
It'll be amusing for you all to see how much more often she was right than I... |
Ang, I did wonder if the Nightingale was already dead (though obviously I wasn't going to point it out!) when you said that you had disagreed and so Glirdan had been protected the previous night. I had thought Cailin was the most likely Philomela - especially when you fudged the gender!!! - but she had seemed moderately pro-me. Poor Glirdan, I know only to well how he felt. It could so nearly have been 5 innocents leaving/ defaulting....
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I saved all of Ang's Hawk PMs and they create a poem that goes thusly:
In case I'm lynched I now declare That Cailín my beak should beware... Tonight no difference does this make But mormegil I'd to grave take No need to change my choice at all, In machinating morm's downfall. Avaunt! Away! Another pick And let my talons Miss Spawn prick I hope I still have sundry time, But Valier gets this death-rhyme. Lynching will surely not me slay But if so, make that Jenny pay... I have decided, after all That Glirdan must by my claws fall. |
Well that was an interesting game. Congratulations Kath and SPM on the victory! You both played well!
I knew Glirdan was telling the truth! But sorry Mith for saying you were a lyer. I never considered that there would be two Owls! Also, good job Diamond on the modding! Your twists were an interesting idea! Anyway, I had a lot of fun in my first game. Can't wait to play again. Cheers! :smokin: |
Sauce, until last Night when I was thinking things over I hadn't even thought there could still be a Goose in the game! I kept you alive because you were coming up with the arguments against people I was just too stressed to manage, and because you were supporting me. That had struck me as a little odd I must say, but I wasn't about to complain!
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I wanted to just make special mention of Lote though. For a first game that was a good bit of playing. And well done to non-Cailin too! Let's hope we see him with his own account soon. |
Sauce were you poking serious holes in my cases or were they contrived? I thought I had some decent evidence but you kept shooting everything down that I did and I guess the village decided to listen to you. :( :mad: :rolleyes: . It was horrible to have both Kath and SpM around at the end, as they are both two that I always find suspicious. I kept asking myself "am I just assuming they are guilty because I always do?"
During the last day there was a short moment, short mind you, when I considered the possibility that Nogrod was actually the converted one but then I rethought the probabilities and rethought my arguements and was more convinced of Kath's guilt. It was frustrating to try and be altruistic and have it be suspicous instead. My last post of the game that Diamond quoted was true feelings. Despite the stress and frustration a truly enjoyable game. I loved the twists Diamond though comically my Goose/Owl talk at the start turned against us as we had two Owls so everybody thought that my plan had been implimented. |
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A great ending, Diamond, to top all the wonderful Day/Night interludes that you wrote. Really, great credit to you. Not only did you mod wonderfully, but your rules made for an exceptionally exciting, paranoia-inducing, roller-coasting, at times very stressful, but ultimately fantastically enjoyable game. Quote:
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My tactics were quite straightforward. Try to look innocent and stay alive as long as possible until I might be of some use to the Ducks. Had an opportunity presented itself to declare as a Gifted, I had it in mind. The Goosey strategy morm outlined had already occurred to me as a possibility, in the right circumstances. I was incredibly lucky though, being declared innocent and then it looking like the Goose had been killed. Although towards the end I was rather happy that I wasn’t a complete “known” innocent as it kept alive the opportunity for me to sacrifice myself, should circumstances require. My final day tactic was to lay into Nogrod in an attempt either to make myself look like the Duck and provoke a vote for me (hence my deliberate mistake about the odds) or to get him lynched. I could not be sure he was not the Duck, so voting for him was a risk, but he sounded so genuine throughout. And it was a better bet than voting for myself, because I suspected that Nogrod might be the Nightingale. Quote:
It would have been interesting to see how things would have gone had no one left the game. I suspect that Kath and I might have been hard pushed to stave you all off for what would have been another Day at least. Although the voting would probably have gone completely differently, and there would have been more people to (possibly) make cases against, so who can tell? |
The 2006 Duckie Awards
Ahhhhh... the awards have arrived in their bubble wrap -- custom made, limited edition Goomba Golden Ducks, the most coveted awards in Ducktapia. Special thanks to Mr. Goomba for designing all these lovely Duckies.
And the winners are: Nilpaurion Fowlagund: The "Live Fast, Die Young" Award It was really more bad luck than anything that got Nilp killed the first day, but I have to point out that the perennial self vote did not exactly help matters any. :p Still, a fun single post which gave me ideas for the death scene. Hopefully I'll get to play with you a bit longer in LMP's game. Dancing Duck of Ungoliant: The "I See My Reputation Precedes Me" Award It's always hard to be a Werecreature when you're the sort of person the Seer wants to dream of as soon as possible. Lalaith: The "Ghost of the Nightingale" Award It’s really too bad she got killed so soon... but her ghost did have some effect on the game! Roa Aoife: The "Holy Wereducks, Batwoman!" Award I was so sorry to see her go early, but glad to have her in the game. I laughed so much over her first post, with the batman references, so really, what better award.... Sleepy-Wan Rangeobi: The "Lightsaber / Sexiest Hair" Award I'm really sorry Sleepy had to leave mid-game... however I appreciated the opportunity for bad Star Wars jokes he provided in not one but two narrative posts. Oh, and he wanted the Sexiest Hair award. :p JennyDucku: The "The Quicker Quacker Backer / You Only Live Twice" Award Being the cursed villager gave her a second, more dastardly, chance at life in the game, and she did her best with it despite some unfortunate RL constraints. Also, the rhyme she included in her PM on Night 4 still cracks me up. Anguirel: The "Papageno the Cod-Rhyming Hawk" Award Every death pick came to me in rhyme, which tickled me to no end. (And the rhymes themselves are posted above.) Glirdan: The "Destroyers and Usurpers, Curse Them!" Award Both Owls had their work cut out for them, and Glirdan had the most trouble being believed, even after Spawn's death. I was in disbelief about that -- but then, maybe I just think things are so obvious because I came up with them. This phrase, along with the image of an angry ent, kept running through my head during Day 3, so it seemed fate that ended up having Ang and Glirdan's death scenes come together that Night. Lote22: The "Virgin Eyes" Award New to the game, she saw something fowl in Nilp's behavior not realizing it was his usual thing -- but turned out to be correct and helped lynch the first Duck. Mithalwen: The "Cassandra" Award In Mith's own words, being an Owl felt like being the doomed Cassandra. It was an extra challenging position for this game, too! mormegil: The "It's KATH you FOOLS!" Award Poor mormy, he knew it was Kath all along and got worked to death for his perceptiveness! Valier: The "Buffy the Wereduck Slayer" Award I do believe she dealt the killing blow to each Wereduck that died. Actually I know she did because I kept featuring her as the final executioner in all my narratives! Nogrod: The "No One Analyzes Like the Nog-Man" Award Noggie looked at the game from every possible angle, seeing even more possibilities than I did as the mod, and I was rather impressed. A bit unfortunate though that he analyzed himself into a hole in the end. ;) Cailín & Not-Cailín The "Freaky Friday" Award Many thanks to Cailín and her brother for working out a way to keep "her" in the game. And since Not-Cailín voted for Wereducks every time, he’s a rather good player in his own right! Perhaps Not-Cailín will sign up and play with us himself in the future? The Saucepan Man: The "Goosey Goosey Gander" Award I can't imagine it hurt any to have two Owls causing confusion and looking goosey, but SpM managed to fool most of the people most of the time for a rather long time, and was instrumental in the final result. Quite an impressive show of cunning, I must say! Quath: The "She Who Quacks Last Quacks Loudest" Award Congratulations to the victor! Truly an example of getting away with murder. |
As far as Glirdan is concerned, if he'd only dreamt the last day I would possibly have been convinced of a double owl game, but when he didn't dream it was far 'too convinient' of the goose.
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Thank you to everyone who has lavished praise upon my modding and writing skills. There were times when I was sure I'd gone with too ambitious a rules scheme and was going to be the worst mod ever; but I'm glad everyone enjoyed (or at least appreciated) the craziness in the end. :D |
Thanks Diamond for the award! Maybe one of these days I will learn to trust my own gut feelings, when I have them. I loved your death scenes! I was quite pleased when I got to kill most of the Ducks with my own hands!:D
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I was thinking about a little story called: A poor boy who almost burned his brains in a game, and just didn't know, where to start. Happily Morm gave me this nice start:
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I tried the goose-Mith -stuff, to get some reactions from you, to help me make my mind about this stuff, but that seemed to be a dead end too. Even though Glirdy looked so genuine, Mith had given us two innocents ( one of them Spm!!! :eek: ), but nothing more: a duck (or a goose) could give them anytime! No-one wished to comment on it. Was it so smoothing to have things clear in the village as not to bother with contrasting points of views? Why didn't I believe in myself in the end? Oh, why? :D Just total "Headbangers Ball"-stuff all the game! Nothing seemed right - and I was so frustrated when no-one wanted to listen! So in the end I started to disbelieve it myself, and kind of started to believe you others (I thought, I couldn't be the only one seeing it, so I was seeing ghosts) - what a mistake! That just let Spm off my radar the two important days: I was looking elsewhere, thinking, I would have time to settle things with Spm before the end. That end came then quickly enough... And I admit, that the thought of Spm being the goose almost never reached my mind (I merely thought of him as a good company in the duck-hunt, or the duck himself). So beautifully the general consensus of things derailed me, and I'm pretty ashamed of that... But really: I should have seen so many things! If they (Mith & Glirdy) were both Owls, there was the goose left. I even wrote this in at least one post. But I didn't care about it enough myself, but went after easier things! Or Spm's gradual case against me! He started it one or two days earlier: first with casual notes, then pressing all the more. Why didn't I attack him back yesterday? Just some convenience: I'll deal with those attacks (and maybe launch a counter-attack) tomorrow, as I can't be sure. And this day was just a catastrophe! I also tried to say on the last morning, that do not vote hastily, as there is the chance of the duck capitulating on the vote - but still I hadn't quite grasped the situation, where the goose and the duck could just make it together, if they trusted each other (or another one of them trusted). So once again: fantastic game: Sauce, and Kath! And as I have said before: I really enjoyed this, even though losing this way kind of frustrates... This was probably the weirdest game I've ever been in. And it was worth it! Thanks everyone! PS. And to the speculations: had Roa, Sleepy etc. been in the game? Well, we never know but one thing: it would have been different! That's the thing: you can't play the same game twice - or have a same game with changing people! So much fun then! |
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A few thoughts on my fellow players (as seems to be a bit of a tradition in the WWJ games) … Nilpaurion Felagund - Your death wish was bound to get you in trouble one of these days. As I said, it serves you right. ;) Shame to see you go so early, though. Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant - Somehow, I had a feeling you might be a Duck. Which is why I joined forces with you against Mith. You were, as usual, great while you lasted. Sorry to see you go so early. Elu Ancalime - Shame about your computer problems. And I still don’t get what you meant by that post about everyone being so analytical. Lalaith - You were on my list of possible Nightingales, but I fell for Ang’s ruse. I wish I had your ability to pack so many good points into so few words. Roa Aoife - I hope that all’s well with you now. I was sorry to see you go, but also kind of relieved. You can be scary in these games, and I am glad I did not have to come up against you. Sleepy Ranger - An entertaining cameo role. I was sorry to see you go too. I think that you might also have proved a handful, had you stayed. JennyHallu - What can I say? Sorry I contributed to your lynching. It’s a shame that you were not able to be around more, because I was looking forward to playing a game with you. You handled the transition from Ordo to Duck seamlessly, though. Anguirel - You have nothing to be ashamed of. You could not know that there were two Owls. And preserving Mith’s life for one more day and deceiving us (me) into thinking the Nightingale might still be alive were great moves. And I always enjoy your erudite and entertaining posts - even when you were pointing me out as the Goose. Glirdan - Sorry I had to paint you as the Goose. I felt pretty guilty at the time. But it is, after all, a game. Great picks as the Owl. Lote22 - A great record for picking Ducks in your first game. Sorry I chose you as one of my likely innocents to go against, but your stance against Mith provided me with an opportunity (and I thought her a Duck at the time). Mithalwen - Ah, Mith. You should take it as a compliment that I targeted you early on, believing you innocent. I then thought us allies, and was glad of it, and was most surprised to see you killed overnight. Sorry for any anguish caused but, as you said, I’m not as green as cabbage-looking. ;) Good Owl picks, too. Mormegil - I would have supported you to the hilt, had I been on your side. You had me rather worried with your case against Kath, so I really had no option but to try to discredit you. As always, a pleasure to play with you. Valier - I think it was Cailín who said that you have an instinct for spotting Wolves/Ducks. She was right. Happily, I didn’t have to attack you as it was pretty clear you were doomed to die by Night after Mith named you as innocent. Nogrod - Another one that I was looking forward to playing with for the first time. And you did not disappoint me. You really gave me a run for my money with your continued suspicion that there may have been two Owls. You came across as so genuine, I am really looking forward to seeing if you can maintain that when you are a Wolf (as one day you surely will be). And finally, someone to beat morm and I in the post count stakes. :D Cailín - I am so glad that you were able to keep yourself in the game. And credit to non-Cailín too, for picking things up so quickly. He had me worried on the final day. And the two of you left me with no chance of trying to make a case against you. There was nothing incriminating there, so I just didn’t bother. Kath - My Lady Duck and fellow (blind) conspirator. You kept your cool so well when, on multiple occasions, you looked a dead cert to be lynched. Well played, and it was a pleasure to play my part in your victory. Great game, well played by all. It certainly ranks among the best that I have played in. |
Nogrod, I was incredibly surprised when I logged on on Day 3 and saw so much support for Mith. Delighted too, as I thought her the final Duck. The Night before, when spawn was lynched and Mith looked a dead cert to be the final Duck (not knowing that there were two left at the time), I thought our Goose was well and truly cooked. So, with so much support for her, I seized upon the opportunity to declare her the Owl and Glirdy the Goose.
My belief, on Day 3, that Mith was the final Duck was, by the way Jenny, the main reason that I had no reservations about declaring my suspicions of you. So it cut both ways. Up until about Day 5, I thought that I had been a fairly useless Goose and that I had lost the Ducks the game. Thinking Mith the Duck until she died, I did not see how she could avoid suspicion until the end if she continued to stay alive. |
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So as my trust to Mith grew all the time, your trust had just to be dropped off by her death - from exactly the opposite reasons! Btw. I guess, your insecurity in those most important days just somehow came through, and gave me the "free"-signal -calling me not to start thinking about you in earnest... Funny, if it is like that? :) |
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