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Nerwen 11-20-2010 08:15 PM

Person? –yes.
Mortal? –yes.
Human? –sort-of.
Half-Elven? –no.
1st Age? –no.
3rd Age? –yes.
Nazgūl? –no.
Hobbit? –yes!
Male? –no.
Rosie Cotton –no.
Speaking part? –no (for good reason)!
Melilot Brandybuck? –no.
Esmeralda Brandybuck –no.
Deceased? –yes.
Elanor Gamgee? –no.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55
And Esmeralda is Rory Brandybuck's daughter-in-law. I don't think she's Merry's mom.

*cough* The two are not mutually exclusive.

Galadriel55 11-20-2010 08:48 PM

I'm running out of ideas! Is it Gollum's beloved grandmother? :)
Eseralda could be Merry's mom, you are right. We don't know that for sure, though.

Nerwen 11-20-2010 09:49 PM

Person? –yes.
Mortal? –yes.
Human? –sort-of.
Half-Elven? –no.
1st Age? –no.
3rd Age? –yes.
Nazgūl? –no.
Hobbit? –yes!
Male? –no.
Rosie Cotton –no.
Speaking part? –no (for good reason)!
Melilot Brandybuck? –no.
Esmeralda Brandybuck? –no.
Deceased? –yes.
Elanor Gamgee? –no.
Gollum's grandmother? –no.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55
Esmeralda could be Merry's mom, you are right. We don't know that for sure, though.

Well, we do, actually. Check the family tree. You'll find her as "Esmeralda Took" (maiden name).

Galadriel55 11-21-2010 08:53 AM

I don't have the family tree in my translation. New fact for me!

It's a deceased female hobbit. Belladona Took, Bilbo's mom?

Pitchwife 11-21-2010 12:04 PM

Or if it's not Belladonna, what about Primula Baggins née Brandybuck, Frodo's mom?

Nerwen 11-21-2010 04:24 PM

You've got it, Pitch!

Pitchwife 11-22-2010 10:35 AM

Thanks, Nerwen!
I've got something; open fire.:)

Galadriel55 11-22-2010 04:53 PM

person?

Pitchwife 11-23-2010 08:16 AM

Person? - Yes.

Galadriel55 11-23-2010 08:49 AM

mortal?

Almesiva Moonshadow 11-23-2010 09:22 AM

Mortal from the Third Age???

Nerwen 11-23-2010 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almesiva Moonshadow (Post 643532)
Mortal from the Third Age???

That's two questions at once.

Pitchwife 11-23-2010 01:56 PM

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - That's actually up to speculation. Most probably not.
...from the Third Age? - No. (Meaning neither mortal, nor from the Third Age.)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen
That's two questions at once.

Hm, I suppose I could technically have taken it as a single question and answered negative if it was, say, an Elf from the Third Age... But I'm not so mean.;)

Galadriel55 11-23-2010 02:33 PM

here I go again...
 
halfelven?

Pitchwife 11-25-2010 04:21 PM

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.*
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.

*(Sorry if my earlier answer to this was misleading. If you take 'mortal' to mean Man and/or Hobbit, including hybrids like Halfelves, it's a clear No. If it just means 'liable to die some natural death', it's by the most common interpretation of this character still a No. Hope this clears things up a bit.)

Galadriel55 11-25-2010 04:27 PM

Mortal could also mean dwarf, can't it?

Anyways, is it an Ent?

Pitchwife 11-25-2010 04:45 PM

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.

(And yes, in the second, wider sense a Dwarf would be mortal, too, if you're a pedant with words and their meanings like I am - hence my occasional difficulties in answering questions like that with a simple 'yes' or 'no'.:rolleyes::))

Galadriel55 11-25-2010 06:12 PM

I don't blame you one bit, Pitch.
Was that person evil?

Pitchwife 11-26-2010 02:06 AM

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!

Galadriel55 11-26-2010 06:18 AM

Just a shot in the dark - Mouth of Sauron?

Pitchwife 11-26-2010 08:12 AM

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!
Mouth of Sauron? - Nah. He was a) a Black Numenorean, i.e. a Man, and thus mortal, even if artificially long-lived; and b) from the Third Age.

Galadriel55 11-26-2010 02:08 PM

was it by any chance a dragon?

Pitchwife 11-26-2010 02:41 PM

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!
Mouth of Sauron? - No.
Was it by any chance a dragon? - No.

Galadriel55 11-26-2010 02:55 PM

I'm probably overcomplicating things and just going in circles around the answer, and then someone else will coe and casually announce it. That happens to me all the time! :mad:

Just to clarify: When you say that s/he is most likely immortal, but it is questionable, do you mean that s/he's not an ainu or elf? Because they're immortal for sure, aren't they?

Pitchwife 11-26-2010 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 643673)
Just to clarify: When you say that s/he is most likely immortal, but it is questionable, do you mean that s/he's not an ainu or elf? Because they're immortal for sure, aren't they?

*sigh*
Remember I'm supposed to answer only with Yes or No, and one question at a time? If only I'd stuck to that above...
What I meant is exactly what I said. Illustration: Suppose the person I was thinking of were Tom Bombadil, and you had asked me whether it's an Ainu, what would you have expected me to answer?

Tuor in Gondolin 11-26-2010 05:08 PM

Female?

Pitchwife 11-26-2010 05:38 PM

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!
Mouth of Sauron? - No.
Was it by any chance a dragon? - No.
Female? - Yes!

Nerwen 11-26-2010 06:53 PM

Ungoliant?

Pitchwife 11-27-2010 05:09 PM

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!
Mouth of Sauron? - No.
Was it by any chance a dragon? - No.
Female? - Yes!
Ungoliant? - Sorry, no. (But I see you got my meaning!:))

Nerwen 11-28-2010 09:14 PM

Thuringwethil?

Pitchwife 11-29-2010 03:49 AM

You've got it, Nerwen - Thuringwethil it is! Take over, please.

(Explanation for Galadriel55 about the mortality question: Most sources I've consulted seem to assume Thuringwethil was some sort of corrupted Maia, and as such, she would of course be immortal; but Tolkien himself never really tells us what kind of being she was, only that she acted as Sauron's messenger and took the form of a vampire bat, so it's at least conceivable she was some other creature - maybe a real bat corrupted and enhanced by sorcery, or something like Beorn's dark cousin six millennia removed;). Sorry for the confusion!)

Galadriel55 11-29-2010 06:16 AM

Nerwen, you've got here just before I could! I thought of Thuringwethil yesterday, but I didn't have access to the computer until now. Ah well.
Person?

Nerwen 11-29-2010 06:45 AM

Yes.

Tuor in Gondolin 11-29-2010 09:19 AM

Evil?

Galadriel55 11-29-2010 04:14 PM

lived in 1st age?

Nerwen 11-29-2010 07:19 PM

Evil? –No.
First Age? –No.

Galadriel55 11-29-2010 07:28 PM

mortal?

Nerwen 11-29-2010 08:01 PM

Yes.

Tuor in Gondolin 11-29-2010 08:22 PM

Alive during the Second Age?

Nerwen 11-29-2010 08:47 PM

No.


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