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NightKnight 01-17-2004 08:18 AM

There was some kind of kinslaying in all except Bag End?

symestreem 01-17-2004 01:36 PM

You are on the right track, NightKnight. It does have to do with slaying, but not kinslaying specifically. Denethor didn't actually kill Faramir, either, so House of Stewards would also be "odd one out" in that case.

NightKnight 01-18-2004 04:55 AM

Someone killed someone of their own race in all of them, except Bag End.

symestreem 01-18-2004 02:26 PM

It doesn't have to do with race. Go back and read the accounts of the events at those places.

Mad Baggins 01-30-2004 01:58 PM

Wars were fought near all of them except for Meduseld?

symestreem 01-30-2004 03:00 PM

A war was fought near Meduseld as well, when Helm Hammerhand was driven out of Edoras. HINT: This event has something to do with the answer.

NightKnight 02-01-2004 11:41 AM

I can feel I'm near, but I can't put my finger on it.
But is it something about the king being killed?
"King" Wulf was killed in Meduseld.
"King" Castamir was killed in Osgiliath.
House of the Stewards is the one that really puzzles me. No idea there...
Nothing in Bad End.
And as for Thingol's treasury, Thingol was killed there...wasn't he?

I think I'm confusing myself more and more as I try to come up with something. :P

Arvedui III 02-01-2004 01:31 PM

Herm...Treasure and slaying. Treasure-slaying.

No one was killed over wealth or gold or some kind of riches in the house of stewards?

symestreem 02-06-2004 08:58 PM

It's neither the treasure nor the royalty. Keep guessing!

Evisse the Blue 02-11-2004 01:50 PM

Bag-End: Bilbo didn't want to let go of the Ring
Meduseld: Helm Hammerhand did not want to give his daughter to Freca's son
House of Stewards: Denethor did not want to relinquish power
Hence, Osgiliath would be the OPO?
(oh, and Thingol did not want to give the necklace to the dwarves).

symestreem 02-11-2004 04:28 PM

Actually, Denethor chose to relinquish power when he committed suicide. So that's not it. It has to do with killing.

Mad Baggins 02-13-2004 05:21 PM

Meduseld was the only place where someone was not killed in it or "on its doorstep", so to speak:

House of Stewards: Denethor burned to death
Bag End: Saruman and Grima were both killed right outside the door
Osgiliath: A battle went on there, so people were obviously killed

symestreem 02-16-2004 10:49 AM

Oooo... close... But Meduseld is not the odd place out. Be more specific in your criteria, and reread the events you refer to. Read the Appendices.

The Perky Ent 02-25-2004 01:11 PM

Um...well...how about....The House of Stewards, because it is the only place where kin slaying happened? In hobbiton, hobbits weren't killing hobbits (or were they) and in all the other places normal killing was going on...not abnormal kiling. Yes, i know how stupid what i just said is...but it's my guess

symestreem 02-25-2004 06:52 PM

There was no kinslaying in the House of Stewards. You guys are getting colder, it's not the type of killing that matters!

Nilpaurion Felagund 02-25-2004 08:55 PM

Well, this looks fun...
 
Only Men died before the gates/doors/entrances of all these places, except in Osgiliath, where, along with Men, Orcs, Trolls, and Oliphaunts died before it.

Probably even those weird smoking hobbitses joined the fray... :smokin:

Nilpaurion Felagund 02-27-2004 09:30 PM

The ominous poke...
 
symestreem? *poke*

symestreem 02-27-2004 09:51 PM

Do not poke me
 
Hold your horses, Nilpaurion, I'm here! You are very, very close! However, I suggest you go back and read the whole thread again to find the hint about Thingol's treasury. You are on the right track, but you're making it overly complicated and... shall we say narrow?

P.S. Saruman wasn't a man.

Nirvana II 02-27-2004 09:51 PM

osgiiliath...built before the others?

symestreem 02-27-2004 09:53 PM

Nope. I suggest you go back and read the thread to see the other answers. Also, Thingol's treasury was built before Osgiliath.

Nirvana II 02-28-2004 07:27 PM

The house of Stewards....uh....no one died of old age.....i think


Nirvana II:smokin:

symestreem 02-28-2004 09:05 PM

I don't believe anyone died of old age in Thingol's treasury, either. That's not it. *feels like a broken record* I suggest you go back and read the whole thread...

Gilwen 02-29-2004 07:59 PM

This has nothing to do with treasure or killing, but Bag End was the only one not built by men

Nirvana II 02-29-2004 08:18 PM

Bag End....only one where a wizard was killed....i think

Nilpaurion Felagund 03-01-2004 01:51 AM

Haha! *poke some more*
 
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P.S. Saruman wasn't a man.
Like Telchar(where is he, anyway) said,

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I will at least claim to the day of my death that IT WAS A TYPO!!!!!! :D
What typo? You bloody fool! No way that was a typo!

Well, at least I tried...

Anywhen...

The House of Stewards - only Denethor died there, and it happened on a single day.
Thingol's treasury only Thingol died there, and it happened on a single day.
Bag End - only Saruman and Wormtongue died there, and it happened on a single day.
Meduseld - only Haleth died there, and it happened on a single day.

<b style="color:#ff0000">OPO - Osgiliath.</b>

symestreem 03-01-2004 08:28 PM

Thingol was not the only one to die at his treasury. Haleth was not the only one to die of Meduseld, he was merely the last and he fell...
It's not the wizards- only two of them actually died, and you are looking for the location that does not share something the others do. It's not being built by men- Thingol's treasury was not built by men.

Nilpaurion, if you do not stop poking me, you stand in danger of losing the appendage that is doing the poking. Have a nice day.

Nilpaurion Felagund 03-05-2004 02:47 AM

Hahaha! *poke some more*
 
No, no appendage. It's a bayonet. :)

I think I got it.

The House of the Stewards - Denethor died there, and rule of Gondor passed to Faramir.
Thingol's treasury - Thingol was killed, and the Nauglamir passed to the Dwarves.
Meduseld - Wulf died there, and rule of Rohan passed to Fréalaf.
Osgiliath - Castamir died there, and rule of Gondor passed to Eldacar.

<span style="color:#ff0000">OPO - Bag End</span>

symestreem 03-05-2004 02:45 PM

Nilpaurion, I'm warning you...
 
No, you do not yet have the correct answer. Go back and read the whole thread. You're getting colder now.

*summons the Killer Rabbit. It eyes Nilpaurion hungrily.*

Arvedui III 03-05-2004 04:54 PM

Gah! Herm...Bag End is the only place where a man never slew anyone.

The Killer Rabbit? *gulps* RUN AWAY!!!!!

symestreem 03-06-2004 10:11 AM

Sorry, Arvedui. However, the general killing theme is correct. I suggest you go back and read the whole thread...

For all who are not Nilpaurion: Do not worry about the Killer Rabbit. It is only here to defend my poor, maligned, poked, *sob* and abused self from the evil Nilpaurion. It shall not harm you.

Arvedui III 03-06-2004 10:23 AM

Herm...Saruman was killed over the control of the Shire, Halleth was slain over the control of Rohan, and Castamir (I think) was slain over the control of Gondor.

So, the house of stewards was the only place where someone wasn't slain over the control of said place.

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It shall not harm you.
Oh, that's good to know. But I'm still keeping my holy hand-grenade close, just in case.

symestreem 03-06-2004 04:42 PM

It does not have to do with control. It does not have to do with why people died.

The Saucepan Man 03-07-2004 06:36 PM

This question needs to be brought to a conclusion
 
Is it the House of Stewards, because no one was actually slain there? Or because it was the only place where someone took their own life, rather than being slain? Denethor killed himself, but failed to bring about his son's death.

Osgiliath - Many were slain in the battles fought there.
Bag End - Saruman and Wormtongue were slain on its doorstep.
Meduseld - Helm's son, Haleth, was slain defending the hall.
Thingol's treasury - Thingol himself died there.

If that's not it, and given that this question has already taken up nearly 2 pages, I would suggest that a BIG hint is in order.
:rolleyes:

Nilpaurion Felagund 03-07-2004 09:06 PM

*gulp*
 
A really big hint, yeah.

And, Sauce, I think you should ban anything with the adjective "killer" on it. *coughcoughkillerrabbitcoughcough* :p

Quote:

It is only here to defend my poor, maligned, poked, *sob* and abused self from the evil Nilpaurion. It shall not harm you.
I AM EVIL? I've been poked, too!

symestreem 03-09-2004 03:29 PM

I don't know as I can give a huge hint without totally giving it away, but I will try my best. I will also compile all the hints that I've given so far.

House of Stewards
Bag End
Osgiliath
House of Stewards
Thingol's treasury

It has to do with people being killed. It does not have to do with who died there. It does not have to do with royalty, money, the location of the building/city, or a reluctance to give up something. It does not have to do with who did the killing. It does not have to do with what the weapon of death was. It does have to do with where the deaths occurred. It does not have to do with when the deaths occurred. It does not have to do with why these people were slain (yes, they were all slain. That means Denethor is not involved here.) You will need to go back to the Appendices, the Silmarillion, and Return of the King to find these particular events. Nilpaurion has come the closest so far.
Other than the above (HINT: reporters should have an easy time of it), the best hint I can give you is to go back and read the whole thread. Also, think about what one place is that the other four aren't. When you figure this out, think about what that one place must lack as a result of this that the others have.
An event did not take place at the OPO that occurred at all the others.

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I AM EVIL? I've been poked, too!
Nilpaurion, if you've been poked and turn around and poke someone else, that's like withholding chocolate from someone if you've been deprived yourself!

Nilpaurion Felagund 03-09-2004 09:34 PM

Hehe... *pokes killer rabbit*
 
I'm not poking you, symestreem; I'm poking the killer rabbit.

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Nilpaurion, if you've been poked and turn around and poke someone else, that's like withholding chocolate from someone if you've been deprived yourself!
No. It's more like you've realised chocolate tastes nice, and you want others to taste it. ;) :rolleyes:

symestreem 03-10-2004 06:40 PM

Actually, Nilpaurion, I was referring more to your line of reasoning as being very close rather than the OPO.

Nilpaurion Felagund 03-18-2004 10:45 PM

OPO - still Osgiliath
 
House of Stewards - Before Denethor, none had died in this place before.
Bag End - Before Saruman and Gríma, none had died in this place before.
Meduseld - Before Haleth, none had died in this place before.
Thingol's treasury - Before Thingol, none had died in this place before.

symestreem 03-19-2004 05:58 AM

That's not it. Bilbo's father and mother probably died at Bag End; at least a couple of kings probably died at Meduseld, and likely Theoden's queen as well.

HINT: The event at Thingol's treasury does not involve Thingol. The event at the House of Stewards does not involve Denethor or Faramir.

NightKnight 03-19-2004 09:21 AM

Probably something with Mablung in Thingol's treasury then. He was killed outside the door, guarding the Silmaril.
Wasn't Wulf killed outside the doors of Meduseld as well?
Beregond killed the man with the keys outside of the House of Stewards.
And now we've come to the hard one... Bag End or Osgiliath? I'm gonna say Osgiliath is the OPO, since Wormtongue and Saruman were killed just outside Bag End. I suppose people were killed outside Osgiliath as well, but no such kills are recorded. Am I close?


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