Well, I assume it's since there's no definitive proof that Shasta was Amandil, even if we do believe you.

Exactly.

(looking at the rules...)

Other than the fact that he was a known Gifted, and said he was Amandil.

I realize it's a self-serving argument, but why would Shasta have lied? Amandil's only gift was having the identity of one of his heirs made known. Without knowing who Amandil is, it's meaningless.

It's not about not trusting you or Shasta. It's about the fact that the whole point of the game is that their's no certainty of gifted roles.

But of course, if we use the "proven" standard, then Elendil can send a dream to anyone as he himself never dreams thus he cannot "know" anything. :D

(The intent is clear, of course. Just having fun.)

True. My point though is that we know Shasta was innocent, and I see no reason for an innocent to falsely claim to be Amandil. Like I said, that defeats the purpose of the role.

This is what I meant to post with my last post. Bolding mine.


edit: x-ed with the last two posts.

Okay, so I cannot receive a dream, Brin cannot receive a dream, and Inzil cannot receive a dream. Also, Anarion cannot self-protect. Those are the pertinent points here, and they are worth considering for the sake of strategy...

In line with Steve's last, I'll say that I don't know who is Elendil or Isildur. I only have the name of which player has one of those roles.

x/d with phantom

I really don't think anyone doubts that Shasta was Amandil. I put him as that in my list because I think it's pretty much agreed that that was the case. But since the Moddess said she wouldn't give any information about gifted roles then she didn't.

I think we can move on from this discussion (which isn't really a discussion, just the three of us agreeing), because it's pretty clear you're not going to be forced to retract your 'dream'.


This is totally going to turn into a philosophical discussion, isn't it? Where's Noggie when you need to discuss epistemology?


edit: x-ed since my last

What came first, the ordo or the wolf?

What is the Form of Wolf? :eek:

EDIT: Seems Zil and I had a similar idea. :p

Anyway, I'll keep the Heir's ID to myself. If they want to reveal, I'll just confirm it.

depends if the innocent is a CC.

As for everything else. Zil I think narrowing the field further would be good for tomorrow in case the KM do come after you... If Lottie is telling the truth Erendil is alive meaning the gifted you have is 50/50 Anarion or Isildur. are we sure we have the luxury of waiting?

I should be around for the next hour. Sorry about this day off and day 3 collided so a lot of catching up on errands and such today.

1. We absolutely do have that luxury - we're in a pretty great spot here as a village.

2. The gifted Isildur Zil dreamed of *is* Elendil. If Elendil is alive, Zil would have dreamed of him, not Anarion or Isildur.

EDIT: Zil dreamed, not Isildur. :o

Well, the phantocent thinks the Heir has left enough clues that a reveal by them could be fairly well proven. I think I see what he means.

x/d with Lottie

That's actually inaccurate. If Lottie is telling the truth, Dun has the name of Elendil. If not, Dun's got the identity of Isildur.

As far as the reveal, I'm feeling pretty good about things. Assuming there's still a seer, they can send something to who they think is the other gifted. If not, we have a ranger who can hopefully make a good choice for toNight's protection. Assuming I understand everything correctly, we'll be fine come the Morrow, even if Dun dies (not that I wish for that to happen, of course).


EDIT: x'd with Lottie and Dun

Wait, what?

edit: oh, Zil

Do we have a KM (King's Morsul after all? :eek:

x/d with Steve

Pretty sure she meant- your edit, exactly.

Kind sir, have you not been listening to me all flipping game? :rolleyes:

Gah! Sorry, typo! :o:o

Yeah, yeah. If he turns out evil, you get a cookie.

Oooo! I love cookies!

I would assume Elendil is capable of narrowing the field without Inzil's help.
Meh- they should just send the dream to Lottie again. She came through this time, didn't she?

Or just send it to Brin. As the Night 1 dreamer I hereby declare I was lying about Brin being a proven innocent- her status is revoked. There. Now Elendil can send a dream to Brin as well. :D

Sure, that's a great plan. Unless, you know, she's a wolf. :rolleyes:

too bad no cookies.

I'm going to reread the last few pages I think I missed something. stupid hectic day.

Edit: next in line just got it.
Edit2: x'ed since Sally's cookies

I'm going to laugh if Morsul and Sally are on the same team- whether good or bad. :p

can't speak to this game, but yeah that happens more often than either of us will admit.

But if Nerwen turns out guilty then why not try her again? Maybe she's a turncoat KM. The secret role- the saboteur.

Well, I for one am definitely detecting high levels of romantic tension.

It doesn't really matter who he sends it to - the Dreamer would have little choice but to accurately relay the dream. If a KM receives a dream about an ordo, they can't really say "they're a KM!" because the lynch will prove otherwise very quickly. If a KM receives a dream about a fellow KM, they can't realistically say "they're innocent" because the numbers just won't bear it out - the village will quickly realize that either the Dreamer must be a KM, or the Dreamed must be. The only risky bit is if the KM dreams about a Gifted, which is something we really, really don't want.

In other news- congenital egocentrical hyperplasia has been declared "The most awesome disease ever!" by the US Surgeon General.

The Phantom's last three posts are interesting

Sabateour, Awesome future role for a game would be amazing.

romantic tensions eh? Sally what do yo think? me you a movie?:smokin:

awesomest disease? As a sufferer I can say it is.

Better known by its common name, phantomitis. ;)

This Day is gonna seem like cake after what I put you through when I see you later this month, and I am not a fan of easy death. :mad:

Remind me to tell you something privately once the game is over.

Anyone reading this would swear this was Day 1.

Been there. Done that. Fun times. :)

Hence my suggestion that Elendil send the information to the person they suspect is the other gifted in the mix. Less(ish) risky.

How do we feel about suggesting Elendil send information about Lottie rather than to her? Just throwing the idea out there and seeing what you all think.