In other words, I understand every aspect of what you're trying to do, and yet I'm still encouraging Inzil to say nothing. Is that not a good enough answer for you? (I mean sure, you can say that I can't know 100% that I'm right, but I'm pretty darn sure.)

Well, I don't trust anyone I'm naming but those two.

My two primary packs have Nerwen, certainly. Not all of them do. But the ones that don't have her don't make a lot of sense from Lottie's perspective, because it would be counterintuitive for her to lie about Nerwen's guilt (unless she knew Nerwen was a gifted, but how could she?).

Kitchen and then a short nap, I think. I've had far too much caffeine this weekend. Bad plan....

Plus if Nerwen would have been Isildur she could've just saved herself from the lynch, right?

Anyway, glad to see you're not pestering Inzil any more. He already didn't like you much, but then who does? :p

(I haven't forgotten you calling me a "mean man".)

If you understand everything I'm trying to do, then I assume you know what I'm actually asking Dun, and I don't think it's too much to ask.

Aw, that isn't true! Distrust doesn't equal dislike. ;)

x/d with Sally

False. If Isildur is lynched, he's powerless to stop it.


EDIT: x'd with a very sweet Dun

Ah, well, that's too bad about that rule change. But frankly I don't think Isildur is in any danger today, seeing as we're almost definitely lynching Nerwen.

Heh heh... True. I mean- everyone loves me, but they never trust me. :D

Two of the words in this sentence are in the wrong place. :smokin:

Anyway, we done here, Sally? Frankly if my theory is correct then you have all the information you need already. Yes?

More or less. Given recent events, I'm inclined to believe Lottie did in fact receive a dream last Night. Obviously I can't tell her intentions, but at the very least, I'm pretty sure we're safe to kill Nerwen toDay (though killing Nerwen wasn't really a question in my mind). We can deal with the rest toMorrow.

Is that what you wanted me to say? :rolleyes:

It's precisely what I wanted you to say- but only if you're properly annoyed. When I have the luxury of being a proven innocent it's always a goal of mine to bug people just because I can get away with it. :p

I really wish we were on opposite sides so I could murder you. :p

I'm sure you'll give me a proper punch in the arm later this month when you come to town, right?

You see, I figure you'll do it anyway, so I may as well thoroughly earn it. :p

You're not wrong. (For a change.)

Oh yeah, definitely in need of a bit of a nap. I'm all sorts of jittery these past few days. Just in case I oversleep, I'll vote before I head off. I don't think there's any reason to withhold votes. Or is there something I'm not considering?

Anarion can self-protect.

Quite right. Isildur can't protect himself.


A heads up to everyone - there may or may not be a rule change regarding (a) gifted(s) announced later toDay/toNight, due to me realizing that the game is not working as it should. I will update this information as regularly as I can.

Um....okay? Should I stick around for a bit?

Good to know. Thanks!

Two minutes before DL? :D

Question: is anyone still playing besides me, phantom, and Sally? ;)

x/d with Sally

If not, is it really a bad thing? After all, it means all the villains would be elsewhere, leaving us to lynch them at our leisure. :cool:

Well, yes, but I've given all my information already. I could speculate further, but my only two speculations from yesterDay - you and Sally - are either completely shot (in your case) or increasingly looking less likely (Sally). In my mind, it seems obvious that the other two KMs are hiding within the trio of Steve, Morsul, and Manwe. Considering that Zil may know which of these three is *not* the KM (and I definitely don't want you to say, since that'll expose Elendil unnecessarily), I feel pretty confident about the village's chances at this point.

Here for two minutes between errands.

Note: I'm putting assumed there because it's not 100% confirmed but pretty much accepted.

list:

Known Innocents:
Phantom
Brinn

Assumed Innocents:
Lottie
Inzil

Assumed evil
Nerwen

That leaves at least two packmates.
Sally
Manwe
Steve

Right now I'm thinking Sally Steve However if I'm wrong and Sally is in fact innocent then clearly Steve Manwe

In light of the Moddess's previous comment, listen up- if one of you is Elendil, do not attempt to reveal or pull some sort of ploy that gives you away, as the rule change may be that Elendil is not allowed to send a dream if he is killed.

Continue to lay low.

I will PM the gifted(s) that might be affected, so that everyone won't have to sit around waiting.

Therefore, if you do not get a PM, your role will not be changed.

And, no Zil, hopefully earlier than 2 minutes before DL. :)

What he said.

I don't see a reason to hold my vote. I'd rather vote super early than sleep too long and not vote at all.

++Nerwen

I should be back in an hour or two.

Lottie isn't an assumed innocent. Even if she's telling the truth, she could still be a wolf who's just throwing her packmate under the bus to make herself seem legit.

The voting so far toDay....
 

Morsul-->Sally
Lottie-->Nerwen
Nerwen-->Lottie
Sally-->Nerwen (2)

Yet to vote: Dun, Manwe, Phantom, Steve, Brinn

It's just my luck that the Day where everything happens is the Day I have the least time for. Well, I should be here until DL now.

So, before I embark on the epic reread I meant to do earlier toDay to check some of my theories/suspicions, is there anything I need to do before we get to the next step of reveals and such?

I don't believe so. Read away.

Regarding Amandil's Heir, I'm weighing the consequences of not giving them up, as well as the opposite.
If I don't and I'm killed toNight, the chance to name another innocent is gone. Then again, Anarion could help me out, possibly.
Hm.

I would say Elendil can reveal himself well enough. We'd trust a convincing Isildur or Anarion reveal - why should we need someone else to collaborate an Elendil reveal? I think the most good we got out of Amandil's death was the confirmation of your own innocence, Zil - revealing Elendil before it's necessary would be dangerous and, I think, not worth the risk.

Yeah, I agree. I'm just trying all the angles so I don't miss something.

Yeah, Inzil, it's a tough call. But if what I've seen isn't a coincidence or fluke, then I think the person you have can prove their identity plenty well if they become a lynching target.

Ok then.

Looks like there's not a lot of room for doubt on toDay's vote, anyway. Lottie's truthfulness is easy enough to prove. I would have expected a bit more fight from a Nerwolf, though.

This is the tentative version of the change...
 

Still need to figure some things out. I'm leaving for a couple hours, and I don't want this to come as a big surprise right before DL.

Elendil cannot anymore send dreams to known innocents.

Anarion cannot protect himself.

Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo.

Isildur - can't really think of a way to simplify this one. If I take anything away from him he'll be an ordo.



This is a tentative version, as I am still waiting for something.

I'm sorry all. I know I should have thought of all this before the game started. I guess I didn't think the logistics through well enough. It was definitelly planned for a bigger village. I appreciate any feedback in my PM box; I'll get back to it as soon as I come home again.

So, votes. Just to make it easier to see things.

Night 1
Elendil dream: Phantom -> Brinn


Day 1
Eomer ++ Sally
Pom ++ Inzil
Shasta*[Amandil] ++ Eonwe
Inzil ++ Eomer
Lottie ++ Eonwe (2)
Morsul ++ Sally (2)
Boro* ++ Lottie
Brinn ++ Eomer
Sally ++ Eomer
Phantom ++ Lottie
Eonwe ++ Eomer

Isildur pick:?


Night 2
KM kill: Boro*
Elendil dream: Shasta*[Amandil] -> Phantom
Anarion pick: ?


Day 2
Pom ++ Sally
Morsul ++ Pom
Inzil ++ Eonwe
Shasta*[Amandil] ++ Pom (2)
Manwe ++ Morsul
Brinn ++ Inzil
Nerwen ++ Pom (3)
Phantom ++ Sally (2)
Lottie ++ Sally (3)
Sally ++ Pom (4)
{Eonwe ++ Inzil (2)} Too late

Isildur Pick: ?


Night 3
KM Kill: Shasta*[Amandil] -> Inzil
Elendil dream: ? {claimed: Lottie -> Nerwen}
Anarion pick: ?


Day 3
Morsul-->Sally
Lottie-->Nerwen
Nerwen-->Lottie
Sally-->Nerwen (2)




Key:
Bold = alive
Underlined= known innocent (i.e. ordo/gifted)
Italics = known KM
* = Gifted
[role]= known gifted role
(x)= number of votes that day
<x>= number of times a person has cast the same vote


I have included uncontested claims for convenience.

How would this work retroactively?

EDIT: xed with ZIl

I received the identity under the old rules though. I don't see how that can change retroactively.

x/d with Steve and Lottie