You were worried about it becoming a Shasta-show after around 3 hours of the new day. What's happened since then has nothing to do with how odd your comments were then.

I say you're behaving strangely; you say you're behaving rationally. The two are not mutually exclusive: of course it's perfectly rational to vote for your top suspect. But to do it in light of an interesting developing situation (the Shasta debate) so early on is a bit strange.

And I'm not refusing anything. I dealt with the issue that's number one on my priority list; now I've already moved on to my next suspect (which you should probably have noticed by now :p )

Exactly. This isn't an instance of a Seer voting for someone and saying "I think xe's evil". I don't see why TEW would have been so specific if he hadn't dreamed Shasta. If he only had suspicions on Shasta, why not couch them in terms as he did with Eomer?

If Shasta turns up innocent, the ones to immediately consider perhaps should be Lottie, Eomer, and me, as the ones who pushed for Shasta's lynch toDay.

Shasta-ta-ta!
 

#110 - suspects Inziladun, Aganzir and Pitch. His fight with Inzi then became well-documented.

#133 - more suspicion on Agan and Pitch, and also some on Wilwa & Green.

#182 - argues with Wilwa

#184 - steps back somewhat from his suspicion of Agan/Green/Wilwa/Pitch

#216 - flirts with Kath, then gets exasperated by her.


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Ok, less likely to suspect the worst in Wilwa and Pitch now.

Kath and Green I am more concerned about. Kath, Green, Form, Sally & Nerwen - a double dose o' wolvery in that lot, I'll wager!

First off, don't expect much participation from me today, at least compared to the previous days - I'm dead tired (painting seemed like such a good idea last night) and I have some schoolwork to take care of.

I'm not going to take part in the Shasta debate because it would just give me a headache and at least to me EW's vote for Shasta is a sufficient reason to lynch him.

I know there's no way you can be sure I'm telling the truth, but it was me the night before. Hence my comment about the BW possibly being on my suspect list - I'd guess she tries to stun people who might, if the seer, cause problems to her. I admit that's not a waterproof theory and it also depends on who the BW is, but to me it would make the most sense.

I don't think that's "obviously wolfy". It's pretty certain Shasta is going down so voting for someone else doesn't really count as an attempt to save him.

That's ridiculous. I started to suspect you because your suspicion of me is crappy - no offense but if it's actually genuine, I'll cut my nails or something. Here's the post sally first talked about me, go and see for yourselves (and it's only gotten worse after that). And please elaborate what you mean by "agrees to disagree" because I have no idea.

Next I'm going to do a sally analysis (although the more accurate term would probably be "a case against sally") because she arouses way more feelings in me than Shasta.

Since the Seer is gone, now the only people that the stun thing would harm is Tom, Ferny and the Wolves (though for the wolves it only stops one from communicating with the others, they still get a kill as long as there's more then 1). So really the BW is trying to hit Tom, because he doesn't want him to be able to kill him. Ferny I don't think is much of a threat, he only finds out whether someone is a wolf or not, but maybe BW doesn't want him to find all the wolves since that is helpful to the wolves (who he wants dead).

So, likely the BW is someone who thought I'd be a threat if I was Tom, and therefore he must be someone I suspect in some way, right? But that's a lot of assumptions, but it's still something.

Gotta go back to class, and my laptop is dying. I'll try to come back on in a bit to vote.

sally
 

Sally was fairly inactive the first two days. I was her only suspect (that she mentioned, at least) on day 1, but she didn't bring up points of her own against me but rather repeated what others had said before. She voted for me because my BW plan (she didn't specify which) "could be evil," her reasoning going that I wouldn't think so far ahead as an ordo and would try to keep my head down as a gifted, thus leaving me as evil. Of course she's entitled to speculate on how I'd behave, but she makes it seem way too simple and straightforward.
And as I've said before, I think there's something off with this quote. It looks like she doesn't care about anything, but I'm used to innocents being wary of day 1 bandwagons.
On to day 3. Sally doesn't think the wolves killed Nog for finding him seerish. I don't know how sally usually chooses her kills, but I'd say most wolves are alarmed by a player who seems certain someone is the cobbler. Also, in hindsight Nog probably wanted the wolves to believe he was the seer and attack him, so I don't see where sally is coming from (unless she's afraid she'd be connected to Nog's death if it was agreed he was considered the seer because he suspected her).

Interestingly enough, sally finds it BAD STUFF that the wolves targeted the BW - even though it means they missed one kill & the seer got one more dream. According to her, it's worse that the wolves know who the BW is so they won't attack her later on in the game (and might hit a gifted instead) and have to lynch her now. Saying the wolves will try to lynch the BW and are probably going heavily after her looks twisted, somehow. It looks as if a wolfish sally is looking at the people who are suspicious of the BW, rubbing her hands and grinning. Because as I said before, it'd be risky for the wolves to try to lynch the BW when all they need to do is leave her for Tom so there will be no tracks that lead back to them when Tom gets her. I questioned her about it before, and here is her reply which I don't bother to paraphrase here because it's wishy-washy and there isn't anything new there.

She's still suspicious of me, finding me "at the very least a cobbler." She still hasn't given any proper reasons for it, only saying it's so terribly obvious to her that I'm evil - and when I try to question her, she downplays it with "Oh you're just mad I caught you!" Well guess what? I am annoyed. Not because you suspect me but because your attitude towards me is belittling and really damn irritating. I'm currently wondering if sally is Ferny who has spied on me and now tries to get me lynched. (That would also explain why she didn't think Nog looked seerish - she knew he couldn't have dreamed me a cobbler.)

She lists me, Eomer & EW as guilty; Form & Nerwen as innocent; and doesn't know about Greenie, Zil, Kath, Lottie, Pitch, Shasta (could be the cobbler or the BW, but not a wolf) and wilwa. Note that she talks a lot about everyone but doesn't reach conclusions, it's more like "could be x but I'm not going to write off the possibility of y, etc." I think this looks quite cobblerish too - granted, she couldn't have spied on everyone she says are guilty/innocent, but her unknown list is far too long to my liking.

She votes for me, saying she also has legitimate reasons for suspecting me that should be enough to expose me as a baddie. I wonder if she was going to do a fake reveal as the seer - an idea thwarted by EW's death. Also this quote where she gives her interpretation for why I found her suspicious speaks for it:
Today she votes for me instead of the basically certain wolf Shasta. As I said, it doesn't look so much like an attempt to save him (because I doubt it's possible), but it would be a good way for the cobbler to signal to the wolves: "Hey guys, I'm voting for someone else, see!"

However, she also says we shouldn't only talk about Shasta today. I kind of agree with this, but I don't know what she's trying to get at by suggesting it... Is she hoping we find someone else to lynch than Shasta? She's also semi-defending Shasta, saying seers sometimes have major hunches that look like they had in fact dreamed someone.

And I see she still hasn't told us her legitimate points against me.

I'd strongly consider lynching sally tomorrow.

Barrow-Wight hunting
 

Agan Day 2 (unknown) suspects: sally, Nerwen. Later I also added that something Eomer said would be convenient if he was the BW, and I considered voting for sally or Eomer.

Wilwa Day 3 "could lynch" (given their scarce posting): Eomer, Form, Kath, sally. She suspected the first three already on day 2.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Eomer.

Laptop died and I can't use the school computers for the Downs so I'm doing this on my iPod touch and it's really hard. Going to keep it brief.

So I think it is clear that Shasta will be lynched, and it would suck if he turned up innocent but we shouldn't ignore the Seer.

++Shasta

don't think I'll be able to come back again today, sorry I wasn't very helpful. Good luck!

Edit: x'ed with Agan (ya it could very well be him)

No, I actually predicted the direction of discussion, and said that I didn't like where it was headed. Now I don't like where it's gone. Big difference.

However, I'm happy to see that other people are being considered (even if one of them is me). Thanks very much for broadening your horizons a bit. :)


And Agan's still just cranky. I showed up for like ten minutes on the first Day and did the best I could in the time I had, and have been very consistent since then. She's cross that I've caught her, even though I've said she's playing a very good game; I just have seen her tell and know that she's most likely evil, and thus am not going to back down on the subject. And by "agree to disagree" I mean that as an innocent you usually shrug off my suspicions, rather than jump right back at me and insist I must be evil for suspecting you.


This is likely all from me until right before DL, if I'm able to return at all. We'll see.

Finally we agree on something?

Also, all this circus aside, I have to say, my frozen goodness, I don't think your idea of "EW votes for someone, then dreams them" is a very valid one. It could happen, but I don't think it's the case here. It leaves too much room for things like this to happen, and it would be a big risk, especially if he voted for the ranger and then dreamed his role, only to be killed that Night and have the village go after their only remaining gifted (which obviously didn't happen here, but that's not the point).

tl;dr. Possible!theory is possible, but probably not the case here. Sorry, love.

Okay, I'm done. I need to get back to work, and I won't be back until about ten minutes before the DL (if that long), so if you have anything you want me to answer when I return please mark it with a little Merisu face or something so I see it. Thanks!

*dashes off to RL land*

I'm having a busy day (again :rolleyes: ) but I'll do my best, I have a little moment now and another before Deadline.

Re: Shasta. Well, it's as Wilwa said: it absolutely sucks if he's innocent, but I don't think we can ignore this clear a lead from our Seer. I'll be voting him toDay unless something even more drastic than this turns up. Sally is right, though, we shouldn't spend all Day talking about Shasta when there are two other wolves at large - three if EW didn't dream Shasta after all.

Sally herself is making a spectacular show of not making sense in the least. She suspects Agan, I get that much, but her insistence upon it compared to the weight of her arguments is plain crazy. And not in the silly Sally way, either. Her continuous rebukes to the village for not having lynched Agan yet despite her, Sally, finding her guilty are more off than I can articulate here. My guess right now would be that Sally is a cobbler, possibly one who has dreamed Agan innocent, as that's pretty much the only sense-making scenario I can think of. But then again, she would have had to think Agan was a possible wolf at some point to dream her, and she has been insistent upon accusing her all through the game, a thing a cobbler wouldn't do to a wolf suspect, so I'm not sure this theory makes sense, either. All I know is that I've never seen an innocent Sally behave like she does now, never, and I have no idea why a wolf, or let alone the BW, would behave in a way so evidently attention-seeking.

I have to dash now, back later.

Well, it's clear there's no point keeping up this charade any longer. This is why I hate Seers - the moment one has a success, everyone shuts their brains off for a nice nap the rest of the day. Blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, I can tell you why Sally's acting so strangely - she's the Barrow-Wight. Sorry, love, but if you expected me to go down all by my lonesome then you're sadly mistaken.

Also, to Ferny - you really should pay more attention to the hints that have been fired at you like ICBMs all game long. :rolleyes: It's lucky we know who you are, but do get with the program, won't you?

Well, I suppose there's nothing to do now but up my post count. I guess revealed baddies do have the most fun, although I hate reading my own death scenes. :( You're taking me away from the love of my life, you do realize? Limey cowards.

Also I don't think Lottie has ever made a parody for me. I find this extremely disappointing.

A good time for a quintuple-post? I think so. :smokin:

I feel sorry for Boro and Fea, though. The Seer they picked turned out to be well-nigh useless, with that 'one-post-a-day' crap. I'd never have done that.

Also, Form and Agan should be modkilled. Form because he's currently being silly and useless, and Agan because she dared to ignore me today. Boo hiss.

Tum te tum. Any chance we can lynch Sally instead of me today? And forget the fact that you've got Bombadil? Maybe?

++Sally

To my fellow wolves - it might be a good idea to take out Bombadil tonight. Make them waste a lynch on Sally tomorrow. For more fun and giggles, I could totally tell Sally who we think it is so she stuns them. Sound fun? Knock once for yes, twice for no. :)

Hyper!Shasta is hyper. I just revealed this momentous bit of information and there's no one around to commiserate with? This. Is. Bollocks.

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Well this is boring. *mashes refresh button*

Normally I'd fight to the death, but then again, no one bought my well-thought out, plausible theory of the Seer's dreams, preferring instead to vote in favor of demented ramblings. Oh well.

Shasta, if you're innocent, I feel your pain, and we can ask TEWie What Twisted Folly he was up to when the game's over, but you'd also know we have hardly another choice, hard as it is on you. If you're a wolf, you've put up a repworthy fight.
Nobody expects you to self-vote, and if we find you innocent, we'll be happy to follow your suspicions toMorrow. But for toDay,

++Shasta

And now on to other matters.

EDIT: Oops, x-ed with a bunch of Shastas. OK then...

The best part of this game has been the fact that the village has lynched both their ranger and their seer with virtually no help from the wolves. It's been awesome.

But I have! Ages ago! ...I'll redo it, though. :p

Shasta Daisy

Shasta Daisy, please oh please oh won't you not, kill me
Been an awful good girl
Shasta Daisy, so hurry to the gallows tonight

Shasta Daisy, you could maybe freeze to death too,
I'll wait up for your death
Shasta Daisy, so hurry to the gallows tonight

Think of all the fun I've missed
Think of all the fellas that I haven't killed
Next Day I could be just as good
If you'd not kill me overNight
Boo doo bee doo

Shasta Daisy, I wanna lynch and really that's
Not so bad
Been an angel all year
Shasta Daisy, so hurry to the gallows tonight

Shasta 'Cle, one thing I really do need, the names
Of your packmates, oh please
Shasta Daisy, so hurry to the gallows tonight

Shasta Wolfie, I am so thankful for Sally's name, and more
For your imminent death
Shasta Daisy, and hurry to the gallows tonight

Come and give me evil names
With the special knowledge bought with innocent blood
I really do believe in you
Let's see if you believe in me
Boo doo bee doo

Shasta Daisy, forgot to mention one little thing, a vote
I don't mean in real life
Shasta Daisy, so hurry to the gallows tonight
Hurry to the gallows tonight
Hurry ... tonight

(Side note: Not really here yet, but I should be around at DL for once! :D

You know... reading through toDay's (*cough*andYesterDay's*cough*) posts, I wondered when my name was going to come up. I'm not sure how I should take it that it's Shasta who's bringing it up--no offence, Shasta, love, but you're the premium lynching prospect today. You're in the position of "well, if he's not innocent, we still have to lynch him anyway to be sure, and if he IS innocent, then we shall curse the dead Seer's name."

Therefore, without further ado,

++ Shastanis Althreduin

Consequently, it seems to me that bringing me and Agan up can only be a way to mess up tomorrow's analysis--my guess, since I know I'm innocent and a VERY easy target since I've been so quiet, is that he's shielding Agan by mentioning her in context with me, in the hope that mentioning me with draw more ire in my direction, and that mentioning Agan will deflect attention away from her... and that mentioning us together will just confuse everyone.

It may well work. I daresay it'd be even more confusing if the wolves ate me tonight.

As to the mod-firing charges... my dear, apparently dying, Shasta, you know that one can't be mod-fired for being useless, provided one votes every day (a single absence is permitted--more, if Boromod88 is so disposed). It may be playing with fire to keep a low profile--sure, it can allow you to slip under the radar for a day or two, but it makes you a nice, trackless, kill for the wolves. That's a decision that just has to be made: do you try and stay off people's radar so that you're around and the village has another Innocent voice on Day 6, or whenever you poke your head up? Or do you worry that, having said nothing, no one will believe you're innocent?

In my case, I have--thus far--gone with the laying-low tack. It is a decision, of course, that has been prompted in large part by Real Life circumstances, but it has definitely been a decision. I guess I'm at the point where I ought to be paying for that... and if so, then I hope the Wolves eat me, and spare our remaining Gifted and/or "near-proven" Innocents. That will, in my opinion, have been a productive role to play in the village--but, of course, having said this aloud, it seems unlikely that the wolves would eat me... except, of course, that I'm a traceless kill.

However, I'm not 100% a traceless kill. No one is, by Day 4, if they have a voting record, and have said anything. And I'm saying a bit now: I think the Sally/Agan feud has a villain in it somewhere (maaaaaaybe the Wight, though I incline otherwise), and Shasta's deliberate interferential mention of Agan with me in the post quoted makes me think Agan... and then makes me question myself and think maybe it CAN'T be Agan.

I also totally don't think Eomer is innocent, as I would not put it past the Wolves to have plotted to use this day as a way to turn Shasta's death into Eomer's immunity.

Beyond that... I have no thoughts, and you likely won't hear from me again toDay.

EDIT: X-ed with Lottie and a veritable bevy of Shastas.

I'm frankly disappointed. I wanted to see what you'd come up with next. :rolleyes:

How lovely if you're telling the truth. It might actually be true, since the BW is as much a threat to wolves as it is to the village.

Well, if he got us a wolf, I wouldn't exactly call him "useless".

Can Tom be Night-killed before he does his thing? I thought only the BW could stop Tom by stunning him at the beginning of the Night.

x/d with Shasta, Lottie, and Form

Hahahaha. Where'd you get 'daisy' from, though? I'm no wilting flower!

See, now I'm considering this. :p

Assuming Shasta is indeed a wolf, the TEW voters from yesterDay should be looked at very closely. TEW's post in which he voted Shasta would have sent up alarm bells, and they knew they couldn't kill him last Night.

Aren't you? Aren't you really? :p

*cowers in fear of the dead guy* :Merisu:

Inzil, Inzil, Inzil. You'd have been dead a long time ago for the sheer annoyance factor, but I thought I could get you lynched. Obviously I overestimated myself, but kicking a man while he's down? Really?

Anyway. Regarding Sally's Wight-ness - I confess I did have a plan at the beginning of lying in order to steer the lynch at a possible gifted, but... thanks to you guys, there are no possible Gifteds to steer the lynch at! :rolleyes: And since we can't kill Sally ourselves (as evidenced by Night 1)...

But see, now I'm considering outing Bombadil so Sally can stun them, letting my packmates kill Bombadil tonight, so that you guys are forced to lynch her tomorrow. :)

Packmates, I expect you to use CobblerCode (tm) to tell me whether you think this is a good idea or not!

Hey, I have two friends who are more than willing to rip up people on my say so! Who do you think the Alpha was in the narrations? ;)

Bwahaha! Who caught whom? :p ;)

I assume Shasta is telling the truth because the BW is actually more of a threat to the evil team now that the only gifted still around is Tom.

I agree. Technically we could probably start it even now (however I'm busy writing a paper).

++Shasta

Job requirements: obey Shasta. I knew I was glad I wasn't a wolf! :p;)

EDIT: xed with Agan and I really do have to go now, but I shall return before DL.

Hey, everything I've said until now? Just a product of a crazy Shasta's tormented imagination. I'm just an ordo and wanted reactions. Really. I promise. *nodnod*

Question: If sally's the BW ... double lynch possible?

Also (and this is a little off topic but still) - did we not have a discussion about the language in werewolf games when we were all talking about it a while back? Only there seems to be a fair amount of low level swearing going on.

I'm not going to be around much this evening. Exhausted. Will try to keep up and will definitely vote.

Does this explain why you attacked both the Barrow-Wight and Butterbur? :p (I mean, your psychic powers and all.)

Nope, in case of a tie there's a coin flip. It's good because otherwise yesterday would almost have been a catastrophe, but it's bad in a situation like this.

Should that be emended to "you and Pitch" thought you could get me lynched? It's odd how he latched onto your "case" against me.

Fortunately all you can do is hazard a guess at who Tom is. You have no way to be certain, and neither does the BW.

x/d with Shasta, Kath, and Agan