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Farael 12-29-2006 11:12 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA WOOOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Oh Noggie you are my hero... for a moment you had me thinking you an ordo and all

Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you....

Celuien's cobbler

And kudos to those of you who gessed it.

Alas, my play last day was not desperation, but rather me in a hurry with a crazy theory, as it'd be expected from me.

Naria 12-29-2006 11:13 AM

Can we post here now Durelin? Or do you want us to wait for your narration?

Durelin 12-29-2006 11:15 AM

Oh, sorry! Yes, yes, post away. I'll get the narration up sometime soon (I'll just edit it in)...though possibly not until tomorrow.

Now, start the gloating and a new kind of accusations. :D

Cailín 12-29-2006 11:16 AM

Who dunnit?
 
Nogrod...

I thank you.

;)

Farael 12-29-2006 11:17 AM

By the way, let's see if my guess was right

Nogrod as Lalwende's cobbler?

Edit: Guess it was Cailin instead.

Holbytlass 12-29-2006 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farael
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holby
killing me gives us nothing

Says who?

stupid me, I forgot it gives you the game :rolleyes:-at myself :mad: :D

Farael was Celuien's cobbler
the other wolf and cobbler?

Rikae 12-29-2006 11:25 AM

Well, that was impressive. I certainly didn't guess it.

Of course, if there had just been more time, Cai might have been caught! What on earth were you villagers thinking with that quadruple lynch? :eek:

Celuien 12-29-2006 11:27 AM

Mwhahahahahaha. :D

Farael, Noggie and Cailin, that was amazing to watch toDance.

Great game, everyone. :)

Eomer of the Rohirrim 12-29-2006 11:30 AM

Considering who was evil, I was disadvantaged from the start, what with that oath and all...

Very well-played. :)

Nogrod 12-29-2006 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cailín
Nogrod...

I thank you.

;)

At your service milady! :D

What fun!

And thanks Farael, your help was vital!!!

I was eating my nails as I waited you to do it!

Rikae 12-29-2006 11:34 AM

Eomer, I thought Farael was YOUR cobbler, when I looked back at all that cobbler theory early on.
I seem to be a popular target for wolves lately.
in the future, I will try to make myself more suspicious! :D

Lalwendë 12-29-2006 11:35 AM

I knew Mac was innocent!!! And I've been suspecting Cailin from days ago!

Darn. I shall not attempt to be logical next time, but go with my feelings instead! :D

I did enjoy that. Now I know what you've all been raving about and it's good! Cheers all!

Farael 12-29-2006 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod
At your service milady! :D

What fun!

And thanks Farael, your help was vital!!!

I was eating my nails as I waited you to do it!

I know, I just wanted to time it properly because Holby was around and I wasn't sure about Cailin.

My friend, if we had known each other's identities and been allowed to plot together, I don't think we could've done any better than what we did... excelent game!!!

Lalwendë 12-29-2006 11:37 AM

Farael, you scoundrel, suspecting poor old me! :D

Hey, I was the last villager? :eek:

Holbytlass 12-29-2006 11:43 AM

I hate you

Actually, I hate myself for liking you both.
I can't believe it's over. I think dying after one is dead is not good for the soul.
Should've known something was up when Nogrod retracted but didn't vote me.

Lalwende, what happened? I'm not complaining, after all I wasn't there at all 3rd dance but how come you didn't vote?

Cailín 12-29-2006 11:43 AM

Quote:

Edit: Guess it was Cailin instead.
You sound almost disappointed to hear it, Farael. Perhaps because I had you all figured out and still went after you? ;) I am sure you understand my reasons.

Yes, Lalwende, I was very worried about your suspicions, but thankfully, you never acted on your gut feeling. I have often found instincts get you further in this game than logic, but this might because logic confuses me in general.

Eomer, I am truly sorry.

I will confess that I suspected Macalaure to be my cobbler, because of something Celuien pointed out when she was still alive to aid me, until he got Eomer of the Rohirrim lynched, who indeed would have been at a terrible disadvantage because of certain promises. After that, I thought (and hoped) it was either Nogrod or Holbytlass.

Durelin 12-29-2006 11:50 AM

Cailin and Eomer - I pitted you two against each other on purpose. I'm sorry, I really didn't think Eomer would stay perfectly 'loyal' till the end... :p

Farael 12-29-2006 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cailín
You sound almost disappointed to hear it, Farael. Perhaps because I had you all figured out and still went after you? ;) I am sure you understand my reasons.

Disappointed? no, not at all!! and why would I mind you going after me? it's the right thing to do, same as why I argued with Nogrod and yet never trully went after him!!

Holbytlass 12-29-2006 12:01 PM

Congratulations!!

I was hoping the wolves would win, there seems to have been alot of village wins lately. Up until I got my role as ordo and then, well, you know...things change.

Now Farael, I have double the greivences against you and should've went after you in the beginning but I, as a gentle jester, let bygones be bygones but no more!! I also was caught up in the whole plan of doing something about quiet ones. Weird since I am a quiet one-notoriously.

I hope to see the wolves' nightly strategies. And also any tidbits from the cobblers. Well, played.

Durelin, Captain, great modding! Can't wait to see the end deaths.

Nogrod 12-29-2006 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cailín
I will confess that I suspected Macalaure to be my cobbler, because of something Celuien pointed out when she was still alive to aid me, until he got Eomer of the Rohirrim lynched, who indeed would have been at a terrible disadvantage because of certain promises. After that, I thought (and hoped) it was either Nogrod or Holbytlass.

I was afraid of you believing Mac to be your cobbler when I came back for the last hours... And all the hints I threw at you!!! :rolleyes:

But all's well that ends well! :)

And thank's Farael again! If we had been sure about each other we would have not played this well!

Lalwendë 12-29-2006 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

Lalwende, what happened? I'm not complaining, after all I wasn't there at all 3rd dance but how come you didn't vote?

I know. You can squarely blame Disney Corp for this. I had just chucked an M&S quiche in the oven in the midst of receiving my shopping delivery and intended to eat and then put me vote up officially, but multi-tasking failed as that High School Musical came on the telly and I was transfixed by the cheesiness. Don't think I'd have made a difference anyway.
:(

Farael 12-29-2006 12:14 PM

By the way, I'd like to commend Durelin on an excelent game idea!! Two cobblers sure added to the fun of the game :p and I'm not saying that 'cos I was one of the two.

Celuien 12-29-2006 12:36 PM

I was really surprised that no one suggested Mac was Cailin's cobbler. There was definitely something in his first post that had me thinking he was trying to signal her, especially since they were so similar during the first dance.
Quote:

A lighthearted and soothing voice the mime then perceived and turning to its source he saw Cailín, a robin, singing a song that would put Middle-earth's greatest nightingales to shame. Delighted and with new strength of heart he continued the last stops of his inquiry.
Everyone else caused some sort of negative reaction when came to say hello.

Alas! I'd have liked to stay around for more than one night. My debut as a wolf was short lived. That Mormegil... I still haven't quite figured out how I went from not really being suspected by most of the dancers to being lynched.

By the way, I was telling the absolute truth about Kitanna when I posted my analysis.

Celuien 12-29-2006 12:41 PM

Oh. I'd originally written our pick of Kitanna into nine lines of blank verse, but it was lost in the Downs PM system so no one got to see it. I'll try to reconstruct it later.

Naria 12-29-2006 01:58 PM

Quote:

What on earth were you villagers thinking with that quadruple lynch?
We were thinking, "hey wouldn't it be nice to get into some kind of werewolf history book?!"
Seriously though, I have no idea Rikae! I was literally going crazy as I watched what was happening.

To the cobblers...well done both of you. I had some suspicions about the two of you, but having a theory in ones head is alot easier than taking that theory and typing it into sensible chatter(see, I may have done that right here) :eek:

To the wolves....... :p hehe

To all the rest of the Dancers...masks off to you all. :D

To Durelin and CoD....great game! I absolutely loved it!!!!

Folwren 12-29-2006 02:26 PM

So... baddies won? Dang. I have never been so disappointed in a game's finish. I feel possitively crushed and...defeated.

I have to say, it was fantastically played. All of you evil ones. Sheesh. Farael, I disliked you from the very beginning and now I know why. :rolleyes: I really did suspect you. Nogrod, excellent job. You acted so your normal self - and managed to keep the highlight off the bad ones!! You really had me spooked when they brought your whole case against me that second dance or so...

Cailin, great job as a wolf. I only had a glimmer of a doubt after I was dead, and then it was too late. I'd say you were lucky.

Celuien, your cowgirl character was too cute. I didn't think you could possibly be one and when you turned out to be one, I was almost as surprised as I was when I (finally) figured out that four people were lynched that dance that I was gone the whole day of. Oh, heaven that I had been there at least for voting!

Speaking of - what induced you guys to do that??

Good job, everyone. I congratulate the evil ones for their win.

-- Foley

Kath 12-29-2006 03:29 PM

I've been following this since death and all I can say is kudos to the winning baddies! I'm not sure so many have ever survived by the end. :D

But :eek: to that quadruple lynch! Masterfully orchestrated but doomed to end in failure. Still, it'll certainly go down in the record books, even if Durelin was laughing her head off as she read it! Speaking of which, great modding Durelin and CoD.

Don't know about anyone else, but this has seriously renewed my interest in werewolf, bring on the next game!

Durelin 12-29-2006 05:59 PM

Thank you everyone for playing, and making this an awesome game!

I had way too much fun modding this.

I'm really glad everyone had fun (well, I hope everyone did), and I hope to see you guys in another game soon.

Personally, I don't think I would have had nearly as much fun if you guys hadn't pulled the quadruple lynch. That was just amazing.

I think the awesomeness of the villagers and the baddies evens out, personally...even if some of what made you villagers awesome was also part of your downfall. :D


Quote:

Originally Posted by Celuien
Oh. I'd originally written our pick of Kitanna into nine lines of blank verse, but it was lost in the Downs PM system so no one got to see it. I'll try to reconstruct it later.

Oh no! Has that really been lost? :( And it's my fault!

Rikae 12-29-2006 06:52 PM

Durelin, it was a great setup for mayhem! Awesome game. Reading over the posts now, I'm kicking myself because the wolf/cobbler hints seem so obvious ... hindsight's 20/20.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kath
Don't know about anyone else, but this has seriously renewed my interest in werewolf, bring on the next game!

I second that!

Macalaure 12-29-2006 06:57 PM

So, so... Nogrod was a cobbler...

For some reason this completely fails to surprise me. :p

It drove me utterly crazy. I felt you were a cobbler since the first day, but I just kept suspecting you because I wanted to back it up with some solid reason.

(Note to self: Never try to bring Nogrod down with reason. It's - just - not - possible.)

Excellent work though. I still can't believe so many people were convinced of your innocence.


Do you want to know what made me so certain about Celuien?

It was Kitanna's death. She died in the first night in the last game I was in, too. *washes hands in innocence - mwahaha* I couldn't believe anybody would be so cruel as to do it again after so short time, so I looked for people who did not play in that game and therefore probably didn't know. Out of those, Celuien and, well, Eomer looked most guilty to me.
Then I obviously must have forgotten my plan in the hectic of yesterday and voted Holby instead of Cailín...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celuien
By the way, I was telling the absolute truth about Kitanna when I posted my analysis.

Still this analysis was extremely suspicious to me. You told the truth, but the truth was basically that there was nothing to be told. It was looking helpful without being helpful at a very high level. :D


Before I forget: Excellent game, Cailín. Did you really think I was your cobbler? When I wrote my first post, I more or less ran out of possible suspicious reactions after a time. That was the only reason why yours was so positive. :)


PS: I received an unsigned rep for the game (emphasizing my instincts on Celuien). Not that I would mind, but I'm reeally curious right now.

Rikae 12-30-2006 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac
PS: I received an unsigned rep for the game (emphasizing my instincts on Celuien). Not that I would mind, but I'm reeally curious right now.

Ooops! :D


~Rikae

Celuien 12-30-2006 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durelin
Oh no! Has that really been lost? :( And it's my fault!

Well, I should have remembered to save a copy. Cailin's box also turned out to be full at the time, so I don't have it.

It went something like this:

Why do the blameless fear the starless night?
'Tis under shield of dark when curséd deeds
Are done. There are no prying eyes to see
The guilty wolves attack, and nighttime shields
Their horrid plots. And so tonight 'tis doomed
That fair Kitanna, hapless maid, shall fall.
In darkness she shal dwell forever more
And to the shadows sing her tale of woe.

That's not quite it, but it was similar. Anyway, it's a line shorter, which considering the quality of my poetry is probably a good thing. :D

Eomer of the Rohirrim 12-30-2006 12:40 PM

Tricksy, black-hearted moderating. :p

I'm somewhat glad it didn't come down to the oath, which would possibly have been far more glaring had there been a Seer. Even in the face of irrefutable evidence I was not to vote for her. Can you imagine the village being defeated in that way? You would all have flown to Scotland to tear me limb from limb!

So yes, Durelin, I am completely loyal. ;)

Incidentally, I still think the quad-lynch was a fair option. Had I spoiled it at the end I might have been lynched the next day anyway (for daring to survive). We would most likely have lynched Valier and Naria and possibly Mormegil in the days after.

Benefits? It gets all those suspicious characters out of the way in one go, affording the wolf one subsequent nightly kill instead of four. It is an extra few deaths selected by the village, not the wolf.

Cons? Less voting record to mull over. Instant shock to the village system if it goes wrong (which it did).

While it was great fun, this game brought up the old double-lynching debate. I think the game is more fun when the village loses 1 person a day and 1 at night. What's to stop us discovering a known innocent and then arranging a mass lynch of everyone else to ensure victory? The game loses so much. That's exactly why Anguirel's first 'Heroes' game ended disappointingly. The village (island?) was able to double-lynch its way to victory without experiencing all the treachery, deceit, manipulation and fun that Werewolf deserves.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: double-lynchings, in general, detract from the game.

Folwren 12-30-2006 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim
I've said it before and I'll say it again: double-lynchings, in general, detract from the game.

Thanks for voicing your opinion. I'll remember that for my game... And if I allow double lynching, it will be two at most.

-- Foley

Eomer of the Rohirrim 12-31-2006 03:42 AM

I was actually kept awake last night by worrying about how inappropriate my last post was. Especially considering the drama the mass lynching caused. I think the point was that, when we're not allowed to play the numbers game or focus on statistics, the village discussion is more focused on the individual characters themselves.

Say, it was really a bit lazy of us 4 to just kill ourselves without having to make a choice between us.

But obviously I sounded a bit negative when there was the fun of the mass lynching, as well as the skill of the cobbler in utilising the double-lynching to seal the victory.

Meh. :D

Durelin 01-01-2007 02:37 PM

Yes...well...the thing with double lynching is that I just enjoy a good slaughter. :p

Oh, and the two Cobblers idea was actually all CaptainofDespair's, so don't give me credit. :D

And sorry that the narration still isn't up. Both my parents got sick (which adds a little more insanity to my life), and I've been feeling under the weather as well... At least know that I shall be working on the narration before I work on my essay that's due Wednesday, for certain. ;)

Thanks again everyone for making this such an awesome game!

Durelin 01-05-2007 12:55 PM

Final narration, essentially in two parts, is finally up.

Nogrod 01-05-2007 04:33 PM

Great one, Durelin! I really appreciated how you caught the proceedings!

And as I think I haven't have the time or the opportunity to say this out aloud yet, so a couple of special thanks to follow just to make the cases...

Macalaure: You're just phenomenal with your instincts and reasons! Great gaming here. After the quadruple lynch you were the one I was most afraid of. Hopefully we're at the same side in the next one. :)

Folwren: I "knew" you to be innocent, you looked so much that! So sorry again my campaign on you but it was proved worthwhile drawing attention to the places we needed the attention to be drawn...

Farael: My friend in villany! Just an outstanding performance! And you didn't let me down on those last minutes but made our victory possible with your vote on Holby! I'm going to trust you a lot more in the following games just for the memory of this great swindle!

Cailín: Even though my "hints" didn't seem to reach you, you were playing beautifully on the thin line between being inactive and steering the votes to directions we needed to accomplish this. Outstanding, I would say!

Lalwendë: Good instincts and points for a first game! I really would like to see you on further ones!

And kudos to you all fellows in this! This was one of the most unforgettable ones I've ever played!

Hooray!


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